Get men out of girls' sports and out of their changing rooms.

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13266245/KIPP-Academy-Lynn-Massachusetts-transgender-athlete-rowing-harassment-suspended.html

''The male athlete was caught staring openly at one of the female athletes while she changed her clothes in the women’s locker room and remarked, "oooh t*tties!"' it read.
'When a female athlete nearby asked if it was the first time he had seen female breasts, the male responded, "uhh yeah" with a laugh. The male athlete was suspended for this incident.'
The report also claimed she 'caused many issues for the female athletes' on the team and they avoided using the locker room because of her.'

Those who have enabled this bullshit should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

This is horrific!

I have noticed that certain posters who like to voice their opinions on this board seem
to not wade in on these discussions. I wonder why that is?

This is how all the sports bodies in the UK operate as they attempt to obliterate women's sport - telling women that it's against "policy" to speak up about men taking places etc and threatening them with loss of places and funding. All powered by the toxic Stonewall linked DEI staff.
Threats, bullying and intimidation being the only way to override women's rights and ability to consent - even elite sportswomen.

It's just carte blanche for any man who wants an opportunity to physically or sexually assault women and girls, isn't it?

"Whoops! Sorr-ree! I didn't mean to elbow-you-in-the-face-fracturing-your-cheekbone/ cannon-into-you-at-full-pelt-breaking-both-your-legs/ grab-your-vulva-in-the-melee etc. It was a totally unforeseeable accident"

It was never funny, but is now so far beyond a joke it is unbelievable.

“If there was a concerted effort by teams to forfeit games against a particular opposition that would be viewed as an act of discrimination,”'

So girls can't even take action to protect themselves from injury , indecent assault and voyeurism? In the same way that leaving a women's toilet or changing room when you see man there is a "micro aggression" that can probably get you a visit from the polis, they are punished for keeping themselves safe.

It's un-fucking-believable!

Edited to add the second bit when I saw the post about this.

This is beyond dystopia, really. The over-riding of consent, the coercion, is the goal.

It's abuse of women and girls as sport.

That just clicked. A male competing against females knows its no sort of competition. It's not that he wants to win. It's that he wants to beat and humiliate women.

And being cheered along for doing so by dimwits and other misogynists.

Australia sounds right down the fucking rabbit hole.

Reading further on Reduxx, Australia appears to be totally captured. All official organs appear united in trying to stamp out even the lightest dissent.

Linking this thread - not just because of the excellent research from FPFW but look at one of the latest posts from @ASportsMum detailing the significant sporting and financial penalties incurred by girls losing places to boys claiming to be girls.
The lack of concern for girls from Sport England and so many sports governing bodies is unforgivable. Not to mention their disdain for families who often sacrifice so much to support their daughter's sporting career.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985048-new-report-how-trans-inclusion-in-sport-is-harming-women-and-girls

The only way you can impose this prurient, unfair, abusive model is by force.

Why is it never reported that transgender men are insisting on playing/ competing with biological males in sport - or serve time in male prisons for that matter?

In my experience, the Righteous BeeeeeeKind halo-polishers do indeed tend to hide from threads like this. If challenged, typical responses will be "We don't owe anybody our explanations on any thread, nyah!" and (the most popular) "Oooh <tinkly little laugh> we don't know anything about that sporty-sport stuff!"

Should trans people have their own charging room or should they use that of their biological sex. How would a woman feel sharing a changing room with Laith Ashley?

That’s for trans people to decide, surely? As long as they respect single sex spaces I will support them in their preference for using bio sex spaces or campaigning for third spaces.

I have no problem sharing with Laith because Laith is famous for being a biological female.

Transmen just aren't that much of an issue, tbh.

A female can't rape. A female can't impregnate women. So there isn't a safety risk as there is from males to females.

If a female has made themself look more male by taking exogenous hormones and surgery, then yes they may cause other women alarm. In which case, it would be quite unfair of them to use women's spaces, but absolutely nowhere near as bad as a male (who is capable of rape, who can impregnate women, and who will almost certainly cause alarm, distress and upset) using a women's space. Because that is clearly abusive, outrageous, and very, very wrong.

A male in a women's spaces is not the same as a female in women's spaces, no matter how either present.

How do these sporting bodies etc think all of this is going to play out in the future?

Do they think all these people they are silencing with threats are just going to put up and shut up forever?

Does it not occur to than that as we've seen with other sporting scandals or things like Rotherham it eventually all comes to a head.

Everyone can see it's unfair and harmful and as more and more female podiums are filled with biological males dissent will grow and grow . Its unsustainable.

If Laith wants to go in with the men, where Laith will be the one potentially vulnerable, that's up to them - or up to men to say if they have an issue with it, it isn't women's issue to solve.

If trans people had spent a fraction of the time and money on campaigning for third spaces, they would have been successful, there is no kick back on that as it isn't taking anything from anyone else. The fact that the campaigns instead focus on women not being allowed boundaries is telling in itself.

If I was genuinely wanting a solution to trans people changing for sport and feeling uncomfortable with members of their own sex, I would focus on the thing most likely to work, which is third spaces. It is also interesting that there isn't a campaign to make men be nicer to transwomen in their spaces. The whole thing is about validation - not safety or comfort.

I had to google Laith Ashley - and I have to admit that LA is an exception that proves* the rule (as is Buck Angel). I suspect that when you met and spoke to either of them you'd be able to determine their sex, though.

I'd still feel more comfortable than with IW, despite the external appearance.

I think it is easier for women to pass as slight, effeminate men than men are able to pass as women - certainly in photographs.

*ie tests the rule

Edit to add the bit with the asterisk as I know "proves the rule" can be confusing

Thank you @ArabellaScott

If trans people had spent a fraction of the time and money on campaigning for third spaces, they would have been successful, there is no kick back on that as it isn't taking anything from anyone else. The fact that the campaigns instead focus on women not being allowed boundaries is telling in itself.

This.

In spades.

I would say the demands are getting increasingly insane but they started out way over the bonkers horizon and stayed there. So Australian sportswomen aren't allowed to complain, aren't allowed to withdraw and must smilingly offer themselves up to be beaten up? WTF?

I am leaving aside the fact that there seem to be a surprising number of transmen who have been convicted of 'sex by deception' in recent years, although that's probably something that someone should be thinking about, possibly alongside considering the effect of testosterone on a female.

WTF indeed.

The law won't protect you.

The sports bodies won't protect you.

And there's NO FECKING WAY we are going to allow you to protect yourselves.

It's a bliddy disgrace!

The problem though with 'third spaces' is the cost of such resource allocation for the providers of sports facilities etc. - we have generations of buildings based on the biology of man / woman.

Assuming that you can afford it - how do you then deal with the xxx variants of those who wish to use it - should a transwoman and a transman both use it? Does that not make the transman vulnerable in exactly the same way as any other woman changing with men?

In answer to the question above - as a man I would object to a transman in the male changing rooms - despite the propensity of a % of men to cause issues, many men are fine and would themselves be vulnerable to claims against them if changing in with biological women...

the simple answer is as it always has been - you change in with your biological sex - there is no reason not to - sorted and easy and we have the facilities for it...

Yep,it's pretty fucked up.