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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keeping up the fight

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Onionbelt · 03/04/2024 05:27

I have been cheered a little over the past 24 hours watching this JKR stuff unfold, but prior to that I have to admit I was feeling pretty flat. I had been reading back at the start of this board, back to 2010 when this issue was just coming up and the discussions were still polite and rationale. But honestly, when you look back on it now you can see that the GC were already losing the fight.

I am in Aus, and there is almost nothing on our news about the Scottish Bill and JKRs response. This country is well and truly gender captured and no-one seems to know what is going on beneath the radar. ABC and the Guardian, our 2 left leaning media sources, are never going to report on this from a GC point of view. No-one can speak up without being shouted down.

I feel I need to take an action or 2 to capitalise on what JKR has done for us. If we all wrote a letter or posted something or wrote to the newspapers today or tomorrow, maybe we could keep this going a bit longer. Reach some more people.

I am going to send a copy of JK's tweet to the leaders of all the state and federal political parties, with a letter from me telling them they should be watching what's happening overseas. I am going to send a copy of the JKR tweet/s to the guardian and ABC in their "tell us something" section, and ask why they are not reporting on the issues she raises.

I have already had great conversations with my sons and my DH, and my brothers as well.

What else can we do to be part of the solution? Lets post our actions.

You MNs rock btw.

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TwistTwoo · 03/04/2024 06:05

I saw JKR on my very regional news in Australia.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/04/2024 07:21

I am not convinced the UK and Australia are that different.

In the UK, Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid Cymru are all uncritical, unquestioning believers in gender identity theory. Only the Conservatives are questioning that narrative. But the Conservatives have been in power for 14 years and on their watch Stonewall has been allowed to run wild, women's single sex spaces and services have become mixed sex and gender confused children have been medicalised. Theresa May wanted to bring in self ID. The conversion therapy ban included trans people until it didn't. There has been a swathe of court cases involving people with gender critical beliefs. None of this would have been allowed to happen if the political environment hadn't been highly favourable towards this movement, and yet the position of all other political parties is that the Conservatives are transphobic bigots who haven't done enough to protect trans people's rights. They also say the Conservatives are only pushing back on this now in a desperate attempt to win votes from "bigots", and there is probably some truth in that, to be honest.

But delve into the detail of any YouGov poll, read the comments under any article about this stuff, ask any random person what they think about JK Rowling and you will see that there is a huge disconnect between what politicians are saying and what most of the public actually thinks, believes and wants.

Parliament by and large thinks (or, more likely, pretends to think) that a woman can have a penis. So does the left wing media.

But the people do not.

I am fairly sure the same is true in Australia. There seems to be a disconnect between what politicians and the media are saying, and what Australian people are actually saying in, for example, polls on this issue.

And with the polls, you have to read between the lines. You have to read them in the context of the fact that people think that not believing a trans woman is a woman is unkind and transphobic, so they don't want to say that. But if you see a poll where the 90% of respondents have said that they believe a trans woman is a woman and then 70% of the same group have said that they don't agree that trans women should be competing in women's sports or allowed to join women's rape crisis groups, it means they don't actually believe trans women are women and are only saying they do because they know that this is what they are supposed to say. If you actually believed a trans woman was a woman, you could have no logical objection to a trans woman competing in women's sports, because there would be no difference between the trans woman and the female athletes.

Ultimately, I think that we are where we are because most of the political establishment (including politicians, the public sector and the media) is ideologically captured. But most of the population is not, and at some point the the chasm between the establishment and the people is going to grow so vast and so wide that this whole thing is going to fall down into it.

So keep on having those conversations. Keep on plugging away at the people you know. That's what I'm doing. Feed people's ever growing suspicions that the emperor is stark bollock naked with water and sunlight.

forgotmyusername1 · 03/04/2024 07:48

Mishmaj · 03/04/2024 05:37

Sending support! I was sad to hear of the struggle in women’s football, with girls being faced with5 trans players on the Sydney Flying Bats team. Hopefully people will start to take notice (how can they not?!)

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/womens-team-with-five-trans-players-dominates-womens-football-tournament/news-story/481e3242bb1d570de599a38e1f33a7cf?amp

I think the other teams need to fight fire with fire.

They should transition their men's teams for the day to make a point. Like the canadian ladies weightlifting coach who announced he was a lady and took home the ladies title from the trans woman who had been decimating his competitors.

forgotmyusername1 · 03/04/2024 07:51

With the conservatives it appears Rishi is gender critical. There has definitely been a swing since he took over

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 03/04/2024 08:32

If you're in Aus then you have the amazing Sall Grover fighting your corner. She's been over here in the UK on a tour and her upcoming court case will send ripples round the world!

Small action but I'm going to do a bit of gardening for her myself, as she said in an interview that she'd rather have loads of little carrots from many people than one or two giant pumpkins.

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For those of who are aware of the Tickle vs Giggle court case in Australia, Sall Grover is looking for some gardening to be done to support her defenc...

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RoyalCorgi · 03/04/2024 08:34

I often feel disheartened too, OP. Even in the UK, where we have the glorious JKR, and there are a lot of feminist organisations fighting back, it's very hard to win when so many institutions are ideologically captured. I also firmly believe, however, that you can fool some of the people all of the time, or all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all the time.

To put it more succinctly, enough people are sick of this that they won't tolerate it in perpetuity. Even in somewhere like Australia where this ideology is rife, something will push people over the edge, whether it's men in women's sport, teenagers having double mastectomies or rapists in women's prisons.

StealthSpinach · 03/04/2024 12:03

Unfortunately, @RoyalCorgi - all those things (men in women's sport, teenagers having double mastectomies or rapists in women's prisons) are happening.

All the people who follow science and reality (GC) know about it and are raging against it, whereas the general population doesn’t hear about it/doesn’t believe it is even happening/have been captured.

Our laws have been changed by stealth, education is completely captured, and the public service cares only for GI. Schools are to socially transition children of all ages, and not tell parents if they will not be affirming. Parents and concerned adults who question or attempt to resist affirmation are referred to the Anti Discrimination Commission, parents can have their children removed and have no power to prevent medical and surgical transitions.

Our press is completely pro Trans. Dedicated sections glorifying transition, stressing how disadvantaged, marginalised, targeted and vulnerable transgender people are. Vilification of anyone GC or questioning. Outright contempt of the few outsiders who attempt to discuss reality.

I took my DC to a children’s play today. I know the story well, however in the version I know, the characters didn’t introduce themselves with their pronouns (and yes, the whole range was covered across the 5 characters). It is insidious and dangerous, blatant indoctrination of children.

Australia, through its politicians and activists, has embraced all that the rest of the world is now seeing as dangerous, false and tragic. We can only hope Sall wins her case, despite the media here refusing to even mention it.

Justabaker · 03/04/2024 12:50

Waving hello from the UK. I'm a member of Tribunal Tweets in the UK. We are today covering closing submissions in Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

You can find the current Mumsnet thread here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4992537-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-5?page=26&reply=134258801

Here's our Substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/

I'm not just here to advertise our work......but we are looking for someone who can report on Giggle vs Tickle. If anyone is interested can they send me a PM.

It will not be live streamed so attendance in person only.

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