Transgender Judge Seeks Leave To Intervene in FWS Case re Legal Definition of Woman

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/28/transgender-judge-seeks-leave-to-intervene-in-uk-court-case-over-legal-definition-of-woman

I am an expert, on account of being one of those old-fashioned women (yawn). Yup, one of them fuckin dinosaurs.

I might seek to intervene. After all, who could provide the court with more expertise at womanning than me?!

I too want to be treated like a woman in all aspects, except pay, where I’d like to be treated like a man. What kind of certificate do I have to sign up to? Happy to do hormone testing too, I’m a rule follower by and large.

It would seem there is a huge conflict of interest here.

The sheer fucking brass neck of that diatribe from the GLP.

What if the ground shifted under your feet? What if a law you’d been relying on for 20 years was under threat and you had no say? What if a campaign was making the case for a change that increased the risk you’d suffer harassment, discrimination and maybe even violence – and you were shut out of the room?

Exactly what happened and is happening to women and girls.

We all deserve to live free from discrimination and harassment. That’s not just a matter of courtesy. It’s a set of protections enshrined in law. In 2004, the Gender Recognition Act was introduced as a safeguard for many trans people to be able to live freely, authentically and openly. It gave trans people the right to legally change their sex.

At the cost of women and girls and their rights to do the same.

But the Supreme Court is now due to hear a case that threatens the freedoms and protections that trans people have relied on for 20 years. And this case could be heard with no trans people in the room – with no reference to the devastating effect it could have on their lives.

Like what happened/is happening to women and girls.

The campaign group For Women Scotland are not for trans women and they are not for the huge numbers of women who are trans allies.

They are for the huge number of women, which all polls show are the majority of women, who want their rights and protections back.

We all deserve to live free from discrimination and harassment. That’s not just a matter of courtesy. It’s a set of protections enshrined in law.
It is beyond contemplation that these questions could be decided by the Supreme Court, and argued by those who want to strip trans people of their protections, without hearing from the trans people themselves.

Like what happened/is happening to women and girls.

Well, no, that wouldn't always apply, particularly as You Can Always Tell, eh?

I agree. And most of the laws and practices that have gone against women have been made by men. For example, letting men into women’s prisons, letting men into women’s sports, male gym owners letting men into women’s changing rooms, male health executives letting men into women’s wards, male architects and school leaders deciding to covert the girls and boys toilets into mixed sex.

edit to say: I agree with the transgender person having a say, not that it is anti trans, this is pro-women.

Yes mate. That's why it doesn't happen. HTH

If they were perceived as a man then they wouldn't be claiming discrimination for being treated as a woman, would they?

In 2004, the Gender Recognition Act was introduced as a safeguard for many trans people to be able to live freely, authentically and openly.

Well, that's not true. The whole point of the GRA was to hide a person's sex, not so that they could live 'openly' as a trans person.

The campaign group For Women Scotland are not for trans women (no shit, Sherlock...) and they are not for the huge numbers of women who are trans allies. (Wrong! FWS fights for all women.)

The worst part is that they do not have any such rights. And as for protections, it is already lawful to discriminate against men when providing services or spaces for women. It's just an attempt to whip up feelings of resentment.

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It sounds like the judge has resigned so obviously can intervene if the case if permission is granted and if any post contract restrictions perhaps that. However the current legislation is fine as it is (thank God for Theresa May who resisted attempts to change it in England) and there are over 35m biological women in the UK who also have rights that need to be protected particularly from biological men.

But no one would think this judge is female. Their sex is obvious. For the one in a million that passes you have a point. For all others, the gender reassignment clause protects them, as it should. There is no need to attack women's sex based rights to protect TW. they already have a law which protects them.

If they didn’t pass, then it wouldn’t be sex based discrimination so why would they need to use sex under the equality act to argue to better pay?

It sounds like the judge has resigned

Doesn’t step down until April so still a sitting judge. The statement also said stepping down as a full time judge which raises question about whether they intend to work part time. But even if no longer a judge, to launch straight from a role where you are required to be impartial and into political activism in your own interest raises huge questions about whether you were even impartial.

exactly.

I think this is the 'having one's cake while eating it and making sure nobody else is allowed any cake' argument.

McCloud is still a judge and is outlining plans to become directly involved in litigation against the state. While still a judge. When after not a FT judge, could still be a PT judge. Move along, nothing to see here.

Some "women" have all the luck!

Wow https://twitter.com/standardby4/with_replies?s=21&t=5erRL7l-zLLP5zPT3HWvHw

Yep. That judge is a massive bigot who should not be trusted to run a corner shop let alone anything with more influence.

I don't understand this. I've read that, in the 90s, doctors realised that there was psychological relief in transitioning even for non-passing individuals, whom previously they'd discouraged from going ahead. Of course they might have had other - less pure - motives, but the net effect either way would be an increase in the blatantly non-passing population. How does the GRA help them?

literalviolence · Today 16:59

Yep. That judge is a massive bigot who should not be trusted to run a corner shop let alone anything with more influence.

And them obviously lacks the self awareness to see that they is highly partial. Even though the barrister's governing body has told Sarah Phillimore that she doesn't have to use "preferred pronouns," I don't want to mister gender McCloud here.

McCloud is also now openly fundraising on Linkedin for financial support to make this application ... while still sitting as a full time judge. It appears that no control whatsoever is exercised over a judge once they've announced they are standing down.

https://twitter.com/anyabike/status/1773317841082618193?t=WUgxBOJ4CSR1amzxXV2oTg&s=19

It is 28 March and after the bank holiday weekend we are into April so may be this fundraising is when no more cases are to be heard - I don't know.

But imagine how affirming!

I doubt there is anyone who doesn't know that "Victoria" isn't a woman.