Penny Mordaunt being lined up as Tory leader

[AdamRyan]

But only if she "gives up control of the trans issue to the Conservative right"

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/mordaunt-sunak/

Some polling has shown she's the only person with a chance of boosting the polls.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/23/swapping-tory-leader-labour-lead-bigger-poll-opinium

So what do we think? Do we trust Mordaunt to do a better job on protecting women's rights than Sunak?

Did you read the second link? Badenoch is less popular with the public than Sunak. She's not going to help them out.

Did you read what I wrote?

I said I would vote for her. That's all.

I do think she be popular with the party though but that's not sufficient to win the election.

Then the Tories will regroup with a strong conservative leader, who will get wider national support.

The UK will need to know what a "strong conservative leader" looks like first. Currently there's no guide.

Also you can vote for people. You can vote for policies. But it's probably a good idea to know yourself before voting.

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She's a joke!

I assumed based on this and you saying you'd only vote Badenoch:

"Then the Tories will regroup with a strong conservative leader, who will get wider national support."

Will be interesting to see who their "strong Conservative leader" is. There are very few options in the current cabinet. It took them 13 years to come back from the wilderness last time and it was via a relatively untested politician (Cameron).

Her gay twin brother was installed in House of Commons "as a fixture" for years, lobbying for Stonewall/Tavistock. They have another brother. He has a paedophilia conviction. Caroline Noakes is among the other Stonewall devotees on the Tory benches. With Starmer and the whole Labour Party (apart from Rosie Duffield) all in the grip of Stonewall, there will be nobody in the House of Commons to oppose any law, or any policy, that Stonewall/Tavistock decide their M.P. disciples must enact.

But only if she "gives up control of the trans issue to the Conservative right"

And how would that work in practice, apart from people asking who's actually in control here and what other issues has the PM handed over to bits of the party because s/he can't be trusted with them?

Not going to happen, IMO. Tories are going to lose and it's just a question of how badly (and I voted for them in 2019). Change of PM won't alter that in the slightest and they just look even more rudderless and out of control than they already do. This is the old thing of 'company/govt is cratering badly, put a woman in charge so she can get the blame when we sink faster than the Titanic.'

I was saying I'd only vote for Badenoch.

I'm not sure who the leader will be, but I think there's a real opportunity after they lose to come back stornger.

I don't think the Starmer win this time can be equated with the Blair win and domination in 1997.

I think there is much more instability politically, and even though we'll get a labour win I think worldwide there is a swing to the right and that will be looking for an outlet for expression here too. It might be through Reform or a new Tory leader but it's coming.

Well she can carry a big sword so is clearly qualified for high office.

On tape trying to get a journalist beaten up on behalf of a fellow Etonian iirc? What a merry jape.

Seemed quite happy to re-ignite trouble in N.Ireland. Insulted Leo Varadkar. Lied to the DUP. Lied about levelling up. My bil used to love him. Gone a bit coy on the subject now - but wouldn't be surprised if he took another punt on the charlatan.

I think Rishi needs to see it through to the inevitable election defeat, then let a new leader be leader of the opposition.

Abhannmor you missed out - as foreign minister made a public statement about UK citizen Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe that predictably added at least a year to her sentence in an Iranian jail. Saying exactly the opposite of what he was supposed to say. Oh well, no skin off his nose. Idiot. Him not you.

The person who triggers a leadership fight is rarely the one who gets to be leader.

Ive heard that the leadership could be attractive to someone if they believe they can get more seats than expected in the general election, so they could stay on as leader of the opposition afterwards. Like Corbyn.

Well I don't like her. Far too full of herself. And a bit too attractive too. Not that I am in any way jealous!

If Labour win the next election as most predict who wants to take over Tory party leadership just before the loss? Seems like a shit sandwich of a start. Better Sunak takes the loss and a new leader emerges afterwards with a fresh slate.
Both parties are hemmorrhaging support. Labour over gender woowoo, the Tories to reform and their record, ( and the SNP not wanting to feel left out are losing support because they are moronic authoritarian crooks ).

I see a very low turnout as people can't be arsed to vote for anyone.
The big question for me will be how much of a majority will Labour have. Their batshittery in power will be proportional to that majority.

Adam Ryan, do you really believe Mordaunt has a chance? I assume from your post you are a Tory.

I thought it was generally recognised that she has no real experience and that when she has been given a “proper job” she has at best been half hearted, at worst absent. More interested in trailing the rubber chicken circuit with the aim of selling herself to grass roots members. Bottles of wine signed by Penny Mordaunt and now staple prizes at Tory fundraising raffles.

The Tory faithful may have their weaknesses, but I doubt they are so silly as to select Mordaunt. Not least because they will recognise her views on gender are at variance with not only the majority of the party, but also with the population at large, and too well known and quotable to be denied or forgotten.

I'm a feminist through and through but we're facing the worst economic inheritance since the first world war.

The Tories have allowed energy companies to inflate their bills to levels unprecedented in the whole of human history, no caps, no checks, no fucking anything, leading to a cost of living crisis no one can cope with. Small to medium businesses are closing left right and centre because running costs are simply unaffordable now. The Tories shrug and say "oh well capitalism".

Schools are crumbling, the actual concrete of their walls are decaying under the Tories who can't be bothered to invest. Hospitals are becoming impossible to be treated in because the organisational structure has left sick people with not enough actual care staff, but a fucking shit ton of management staff all arguing the toss over who gets to keep their job rather than actually helping patients.
Road surfaces are deteriorating faster than an aspirin in water. 30mph is breakneck speed on many main roads now due to potholes and ditches.

Yes, I care about the gender debate and feminism. No I don't consider Penny Mourdant a suitable candidate.
I'm still voting labour though.

I thought it was generally recognised that she has no real experience and that when she has been given a “proper job” she has at best been half hearted, at worst absent.

What, in the name of all that's holy has that got to do with being Tory leader ? No one had a worse track record than Boris Johnson and he still made it.

The grassroots wanted Badenoch.

Me too.

No

I'm a centre voter. This time I'll be voting Labour because I like Starmer. I've voted Conservative and Lib Dem in the past.

I posted because there are a lot of pro conservative posters on here and I wondered how they would feel if they voted Conservative because they perceive the Conservatives will protect sex based rights, and then ended up with Mordaunt. Or if they will still vote Conservative if Mordaunt was leader.

How come she didn't win the leadership contest and they went for Truss instead?

Badenoch did surprisingly well in the last contest given she had no Cabinet experience, which is why she will be a contender next time round.

This weird theory that the right wing will support Mordaunt in order to oust Sunak makes no sense. Almost as if it was dreamt by some bored journalists in a Fleet Street pub (if they still exist.) Mordaunt does not have much to offer other than sword carrying arms. I think the idea that the shires stilllove Boris is w ide of the mark, but some people clearly believe it.

I think people on this board have all sorts of political hues. It is one place where people with debate politely. Why do you like Kier?. Where do you think he stands on women’s issues? Is it good enough?

I listen to the Rest is Politics and on a recent episode Rory Stewart said he had heard from current cabinet members that Sunak is not a Badenoch fan, thinks she's a bit useless (I'm paraphrasing, listen to it for precise phrasing) but keeps her close to pacify the right wing.

I found that pretty interesting.

She seems to have a pretty flexible view of the truth so I'm not a fan. Honesty and consistency is important to me.