Angela Rayner in the Guardian

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https://www.theguardian.com/global/2024/mar/23/angela-rayner-roots-rough-edges-ready-for-power

‘We have biological women and we have trans women. And they’re both women: one is a biological woman through sex and one is a trans woman who has transitioned. Most of the public can get that.’

Yeah, so are the Tories. And the Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Lib Dems etc etc.

On this single issue, you can have SDP or Reform. Which one do you fancy?

She’s going to do a Harriet Harman isnt she? Harriet was supporting PIE until even HH couldn’t ignore the harm then she just shut up and never mentioned it again 😡

I'm not impressed with that comment but I'm impressed with everything else. She nursed her own mother, was pregnant as a teenager, worked as a home help, getting qualifications as she did so and then became an MP.

And? I'm interested in politicians' policies, not their life stories, however impressive or sympathy-rousing they are. You can ve a hard-working and determined person and still stand for all the wrong things.

FFS it’s like Labour actually don’t want to get into power.

Exactly, so what?

It’s the complete refusal to hear women that’ll impact me and others

I wasn’t expecting much from her, but what has really infuriated me about this article is the airy way she says “most people can get this”.
Do Not Presume to speak for me.

Yup, I agree with this. She's a woman full of her own potential and as such will not back down despite evidence to the contrary. Upthread there are suggestions she might be either lying or unbelievably dense. I suspect its a heavy dose of lying mixed with pure ambition. Career politicians are all about themselves.

Same

The arrogance

It’s similar to Starmer’s ‘everyone knows’

It’s all part of the no one’s talking about it stint

I am genuinely beginning to suspect the same.

I suspect its a heavy dose of lying mixed with pure ambition. Career politicians are all about themselves.

This.

Angela supports what she thinks will benefit Angela. She doesn't give a monkey's about anybody else.

I think her story's amazing and I'm unimpressed with the 'thick' comments. But I thought the interview Decca Aitkenhead did with her for the Sunday Times a year or so a go was far more revealing.

As I remember, when DA asked her then about sex and gender and Labour's commitment to self ID (it was before they kind of backtracked) she seemed genuinely blindsided, as if she hadn't even foreseen the question coming up.

She's clearly better advised now but that reaction (to DA) suggests to me that she wasn't listening to people outside of her own immediate circle and she very possibly still isn't, which is troubling from someone expected to become Deputy Prime Minister.

😳 that’s the bloody problem!

Labour are in danger of missing a bloody open goal aren’t they.

ZeldaFighter · Today 15:22

I'm not impressed with that comment but I'm impressed with everything else. She nursed her own mother, was pregnant as a teenager, worked as a home help, getting qualifications as she did so and then became an MP.

Yes, she's had a tough life going through all that. I wonder what led her to believe that some men are women and that they should be prioritised over women?

I don’t think she believes it. It reads to me like she’s trying to skate over the issue. I tend to think Labour will change their tune when/if they get into power.
Which is cynical of them, yes, but I can’t get that furious about it.

Reminder of her comments in that Sunday tines interview at the time the Isla Bryson story was all over the news

I get that Rayner has sold out.

I don't trust Labour.

Thanks @Theeyeballsinthesky I'd forgotten that the interview was at the same time as Isla Bryson, so there was absolutely no way she couldn't have known about it and no excuse for such a senior politician being so badly prepared.

Fuck Off Angela Rayner.

@Floisme i think the really key thing is when decca says that AR hadn’t interrogated her position at all & is confused when DA challenges her. Sadly I suspect this applies to a lot of politicians

Fucking terrified for women and children if Labour get in.

Yes, reading it again, I agree this bit really sticks out:
'But she doesn't seem to have interrogated her own position on this issue very thoroughly at all and looks increasingly confused when I try to.'

If she were a back bencher then I wouldn't find it so startling but, from a senior politician who, if Starmer were to fall (or be pushed) under the proverbial bus, could well end up as Prime Minister, it's not impressive.

Women and children aren't safe under labour

Not a sentence I ever imagined I'd type

Sad times

No Angela. Just no.
No No No no

I'm sure her conflict of interest, whatever it is, will eventually become apparent. She's not thick, but she appears motivated to behave as if she thinks the rest of us are.

Time for a new card game perhaps? Was the person who said this a coward, a liar or a fool?

That's me not voting Labour then, despite DD's attempts to persuade me.