#FirstDoNoHarm conference 23 March (Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender)

[RethinkingLife]

Thread for anyone attending or following the live stream.

A variation on waiting for the conference host to start…

For someone who writes about amazing bodies it appears that some parts aren’t quite as amazing after all - so much so they can easily be removed and discarded.

Pipe dream, I know, but wouldn't it be great if adult men and teenage boys stopped sniggering, leering etc at very young girls and women and making them feel like shit. What a world we're living in when instead of males having their behaviour challenged females go off seeking surgery to change their appearance.

I totally agree that men behaving would be the ideal, but some of the inconveniences of having large breasts are nothing to do with men.

eg I can imagine for some autistic girls the sensory experience is excruciating and for sporty girls they can affect performance.
Plus back pain, underneath sweat etc.

It’s a big outward-facing change that boys don’t have to deal with. No wonder some girls want to tape them down or wear binders (which seem like torture devices to me!)

Re Dr Ronx
2021 Pink News
“Dr Ronx lifted the lid on the multi-billion dollar health industry, which peddles products that promise to “boost” or supercharge our immune system – a fairly hot topic due to the current pandemic. They looked at what – if any – science backed up their companies’ claims. Many people celebrated the fact Dr Roux wore a trans flag pin during the episode“

As if trans health care is not a multi-million dollar health industry with not only questionable, but, where children are concerned, potentially deeply harmful consequence’s.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/01/07/dr-ronx-ikharia-trans-non-binary/

I forgot to say, if Dt Rona had these reasons for saying what they did - what if any science backs it up? - about immune system products, why on earth are they objecting to this medical conference looking into what if any science backs up treating children and young people with life altering and harming trans healthcare procedures?

I assume Dr Ronx was distressed by being sexualised by men. So had a mastectomy.

This is the link to the full article:

https://www.gscene.com/news/dr-ronx-the-day-i-came-through-from-surgery-was-probably-the-best-day-of-my-life/

Why on earth are they objecting to this medical conference looking into what if any science backs up treating children and young people with life altering and harming trans healthcare procedures?

As far as I can tell, the logic is a circular loop that Bad people object to these treatments for various Bad reasons, and they use spurious calls about lack of evidence to do so - but we know they're safe and effective because only Bad people talk about lack of evidence. Any discussion about lack of evidence has Bad motives, and is coming from a Bad person. And we've never heard a Good person say anything about lack of evidence. QED.

Dr. Wonx is described above as 'unshockable'.

Odd that them should be so distressed by a 'tut'

BoreOfWhabylon · Today 04:53

Dr Ronx is a They/Them who describes theyself as trans nonbinary

Yes, I realise that, but was still a bit sleepy when I posted. It's a shame, my daughter loves Operation Ouch and I have done, too. I wonder if the van Tulleken twins are similarly disposed?

He has a Pride flag, but is followed by@sciencegirl and Louise Tickle:

https://twitter.com/xandvt?lang=en

https://twitter.com/louisetickle/status/1763487933619634599

Yay! I can still watch it.

Presumably the protesters stormed the building, screamed and threw smoke bombs first, and then the attendees tutted in response?

Every time a cis person tuts, a trans person dies, you know.

Presumably the protesters stormed the building, screamed and threw smoke bombs first, and then the attendees tutted in response?

Total mirror image of our side at WPATH, innit?

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1195054474458521601

Where does that leave our kimono wearing, fox beating acquaintance?

Could someone please ask Jolly-On if tutting at exhibitionists and sex pests is transphobic?

He's not getting any support on that thread, for some unknown reason. Its all gone a bit

They too are captured sorry. One of them (sorry can't remember which) was questioned about using 'people with a cervix' type terminology and insisted 'people with a cervix' would know they had one. When pressed on this, he suggested if you don't know if you have one you should ask your GP. All in order to avoid saying that there are two biological sexes. Woke idiot.

Is it not ironic that in that photo we have the TW full on glam with high heels and long hair whilst Dr R is in a conservative grey suit post mastectomy. All very retrograde sexist stereotypical. Go for it if you wish, but stop forcing everyone to go along with the lie that people can change sex and for gods sake stop pedalling it to children as the pathway to rainbows and unicorns and their true authentic selves. So despicable to use children to calm your own niggling doubts.

Will Dr Ronx Ikharia be judged by the BBC in the same way as they did Justin Webb and also Gary Lineker?

Sorry hit enter too soon:

Presenters on flagship shows must not endorse or attack a political party, criticise the character of individual politicians in the UK, or take up an official role in campaigning groups, it said.

A police spokesman said: 'At 9.45am a group attempted to gain access to an event in Euston Square. A smoke flare was set off. No reported injuries or damage.'

The BBC declined to comment. A source said Dr Ronx is not a BBC staff member and so is not covered by the broadcaster's guidelines on protests.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13231759/cbbc-medical-presenter-accused-trans-mob-storm-conference-puberty-blocker-row.html

As so many presenters etc., on tv, including the BBC, are self employed (something I thought the BBC encouraged as not responsible for sick pay, pension contributions etc.,) how can they guarantee impartiality if someone self employed is not covered by BBC guidelines?

If so, it would be novel for the Sacred Caste (or is that reserved, ironically, for people who've crossed sex rather than adopted NB?).

@RethinkingLife case report about the vaginoplasty death here.

If you want the full text and don't have academic access DM me and I'll check if I do. I used to have it and have read the full article but my institution have just re-jigged what journals we get access to so i'm not sure if I still do.

https://www.jpagonline.org/article/S1083-3188(16)30174-7/abstract

I asked up thread about the live stream being available and have found the answer!

The conference footage will be free to watch and will be uploaded in the coming days. Please follow our socials, and subscribe to our newsletter for updates.
https://can-sg.org/2024/03/24/conference-2024/

They too are captured sorry. One of them (sorry can't remember which) was questioned about using 'people with a cervix' type terminology and insisted 'people with a cervix' would know they had one. When pressed on this, he suggested if you don't know if you have one you should ask your GP. All in order to avoid saying that there are two biological sexes. Woke idiot.

I watched the puberty episode over DS11's shoulder and thought it was good, v clear language. But it's bbc and I expect they're being very careful at the moment

Thanks for this; came to ask!