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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
ArabellaScott · 20/03/2024 12:58

OldCrone · 20/03/2024 11:04

Tim Davie says that there were media reports about him/the BBC being "deluged" with complaints about this, when he claims to have only received a handful of emails.

The BBC complaints procedure doesn't encourage direct emails to the Director General, so I don't understand why he thinks he should personally have received lots of emails. We could of course change this, and every time we send a complaint via the normal complaints route we could also send a copy to his personal inbox.

Good idea.

[email protected]

FrancescaContini · 20/03/2024 13:03

Proponents of gender ideology and its twisted use of language have everyone walking on eggshells, just like an abusive person has his or her target on eggshells, terrified of triggering anger or assault.

IcakethereforeIam · 20/03/2024 13:06

Thing is it's tra creep, first they came for man/woman, so I retreated to male/ female to be kind, then they came for that and, having retreated once, I'd no leg to stand on, so I went to biological male/female. Fuck! They're still coming.

IW has stated that IWself is a biological woman. I don't believe if 'biological woman' became the standard to describe us ofck of women that we'd be permitted to keep it.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 20/03/2024 13:06

FrancescaContini · 20/03/2024 13:03

Proponents of gender ideology and its twisted use of language have everyone walking on eggshells, just like an abusive person has his or her target on eggshells, terrified of triggering anger or assault.

Butbutbutbut 'oppressed minority!'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/03/2024 13:16

There's a very interesting bit right at the end of Let Women Speak in Colchester the other day where a LWS organiser describes a frustrating conversation she had at a posh party a few years ago with a "very nice man called Tony" she met there who "used to be Director General of the BBC. Sir Tony Hall, I imagine. Definitely worth watching from about 43 mins.

x.com/theonlyguru/status/1769000398440792183?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Mollyollydolly · 20/03/2024 14:41

I'm starting to think we need some campaign where we don't go through the BBC Complaints process. Davie said he received very few emails complaining about their gender coverage. Maybe we should all send a good old fashioned letter with a stamp on it through the post to complain. Hundreds of letters sent directly to him.

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SinnerBoy · 20/03/2024 14:53

BonnyBo · Yesterday 21:38

The BBC has long struggled with how to cover transgender stories, as staff clash in the newsroom and social media users criticise the corporation’s output. It was forced to admit that a 2021 online article claiming some lesbians feel pressured into sex by trans women did not meet its standards on accuracy after more than 10,000 complained about it.

It would seem that, by being highly accurate, the article did not meet the BBC's standards of accuracy, which must, therefore, order that lies are told, instead of the truth. Rather different to that of most news outlets, which tend to insist on the accurate truth.

EasternStandard · 20/03/2024 14:58

Webb has told colleagues that he feels he has been “unfairly discriminated against by the BBC” and that he thinks “there is another agenda here”.

Yep

Mollyollydolly · 20/03/2024 15:09

Follow up article in the Telegraph including Davie's appearance this morning..

https://archive.is/W2oGB

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borntobequiet · 20/03/2024 15:10

Warning: TD's response will not help the blood pressure.

You’re not wrong. I might need to take a tablet. If anything exposes the egregious bias at the BBC on this, it’s TD’s response.

crumpet · 20/03/2024 15:10

As an aside, I am reading Justin’s autobiography which is very good

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2024 15:16

TD? Total doilem?

I know, I know...

NImumconfused · 20/03/2024 15:58

Quote from that Telegraph article:
Webb has been embroiled in rows over trans issues in the past. In 2022, the journalist was found to be in partial breach of impartiality rules after he suggested that transphobia accusations against university professor Kathleen Stock were “false”.

He was right though, wasn't he? Wonder if that judgement was subsequently withdrawn?

WickedSerious · 21/03/2024 12:23

Boiledbeetle · 19/03/2024 21:47

At some point the way the BBC is going its going to disappear up it's own arse.

The sooner the better.

WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix · 21/03/2024 19:14

@SabrinaThwaite in the initial response it said if I wasn't happy I could go back and move to stage 1b within 20 days. I'm sure I'll get the same response again - but I'm so fed up of this crap that I'm prepared to spend a lot of time complaining and working my way through their whole complaints process!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2024 19:21

Webb has been embroiled in rows over trans issues in the past. In 2022, the journalist was found to be in partial breach of impartiality rules after he suggested that transphobia accusations against university professor Kathleen Stock were “false”.

He's clearly being specifically targeted. No one on the other side is considered "in breach of impartiality rules" even though they obviously are.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/03/2024 20:13

@WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix

I responded to the first response from my BBC complaint and got the following reply:

This matter has been through the full BBC complaints process and the ECU’s published finding represents the BBC’s final view.

While your comments have been recorded and circulated on our complaints reports, we are unable to respond any further.

I think I may just C&P my complaint directly to Tim Davie, given that he seems to think that not many people had complained about this.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 21/03/2024 21:45

I emailed him direct but will now send him a letter.

borntobequiet · 21/03/2024 21:49

I got a response to my email to Tim Davie:

Thank you for your email. We’re writing to confirm that your comments and feedback for the Director-General were received.

Yours sincerely,

The Office of the Director-General

UtopiaPlanitia · 21/03/2024 23:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2024 19:21

Webb has been embroiled in rows over trans issues in the past. In 2022, the journalist was found to be in partial breach of impartiality rules after he suggested that transphobia accusations against university professor Kathleen Stock were “false”.

He's clearly being specifically targeted. No one on the other side is considered "in breach of impartiality rules" even though they obviously are.

Exactly! Evan Davies, for example, gets away with saying things that are far from 'impartial' 🤔

nauticant · 22/03/2024 09:03

I wonder what happened to Evan Davis's series of features on "gender" on the PM programme? He was all for it, a number of features came along, then they, well, just seemed to stop, and there's been no mention since.

Maybe he realised that balance would get him endless broadsides from the trans activists, and that giving him what they would demand would give him problems with impartiality. Also, that any attempt to explain the ideology in a balanced way would be far too revealing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 10:02

For instance, I remember that after the Harry Miller court victory, the BBC had someone on from the police who said it was terrible for trans people that non crime hate incidents were being challenged. No balance whatsoever.

borntobequiet · 22/03/2024 10:12

Thinking back to ED’s recent interview with David Bell, his utter incomprehension of what Bell was saying - that there was no such thing as a “trans child” was palpable. You could almost hear his mind rejecting it as unthinkable, and he persisted in his questioning accordingly.

EasternStandard · 22/03/2024 10:17

borntobequiet · 22/03/2024 10:12

Thinking back to ED’s recent interview with David Bell, his utter incomprehension of what Bell was saying - that there was no such thing as a “trans child” was palpable. You could almost hear his mind rejecting it as unthinkable, and he persisted in his questioning accordingly.

Yes he couldn’t compute

David Bell was correct. I’ve thought it for a while and it was good to hear someone that informed say the same

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