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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

All new hate crimes legislation - JKR stands firm

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Britinme · 18/03/2024 19:22

As reported in the Daily Telegraph, the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act at Holyrood in 2021 will come into force on April 1 after Police Scotland said it needed time for “training, guidance and communications planning”.
The legislation creates a criminal offence of “stirring up of hatred”, expanding on a similar offence based on racist abuse that has been on the statute book for decades.
Offences are considered “aggravated”, meaning they could lead to stiffer sentences, if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
Activists have already unsuccessfully attempted to have the author arrested for “misgendering” after she publicly called India Willoughby a male.
However, on Xitter, Rowling said "If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes." and "If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes."
Who's breaking out the Harry Potter Butterbeer popcorn? (https://youreverydayfamily.com/harry-potter-butterbeer-popcorn/)

JK Rowling vows to defy ‘ludicrous’ new hate crime laws

Harry Potter author insists she will continue to argue online that trans women are not women after Scotland tightens curbs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/18/jk-rowling-keep-calling-a-man-a-man-snp-hate-crime-laws/

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Emotionalsupportviper · 21/03/2024 09:14

Waitwhat23 · 20/03/2024 23:50

No, sex is not included in the Hate Crime Bill (Scotland).

There is a Misogyny Working Group (long over due) but the chair has confirmed that males who identify as women will be covered by any legislation arising from a proposed misogyny bill -

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/feb/22/ill-set-no-limits-on-which-women-to-protect-from-hate-says-helena-kennedy

I KNEW that would happen!

If misogyny ever is a hate crime, I wouldd put money on the first complaint being made by a trans-identifying bloke against a woman.

Kucinghitam · 21/03/2024 09:17

The MSP was Fulton MacGregor

"I have faith that this law will be implemented in the spirit in which it was intended"

To be fair to dear Fulton, the entirety of Gender Ideology is faith-based, so it's completely consistent to "have faith" in everything about it.

lechiffre55 · 21/03/2024 09:29

@Kucinghitam
It's that pesky magical spirit essence again. First it decided what a woman was, now it decides what the law is.

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 11:04

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/03/2024 09:14

I KNEW that would happen!

If misogyny ever is a hate crime, I wouldd put money on the first complaint being made by a trans-identifying bloke against a woman.

The Misogyny Bill (scheduled to start its way through Holyrood before the end of 2024) includes anyone who may be confused as a woman, and almost certainly those that think they are a woman and clearly aren't. It doesn't - at the moment - cover the more serious misogynistic acts (rape, "rough sex" deaths, MVAWG) but focuses on white van man hurling abuse from his window. Don't be fooled by thinking this Bill will make up for sex being missed out of the Hate Crime Act, it won't.

mrshoho · 21/03/2024 11:33

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 11:04

The Misogyny Bill (scheduled to start its way through Holyrood before the end of 2024) includes anyone who may be confused as a woman, and almost certainly those that think they are a woman and clearly aren't. It doesn't - at the moment - cover the more serious misogynistic acts (rape, "rough sex" deaths, MVAWG) but focuses on white van man hurling abuse from his window. Don't be fooled by thinking this Bill will make up for sex being missed out of the Hate Crime Act, it won't.

It is unfathomable that this is happening for real right under our noses. I want to scream. Why anyone would allow either of these laws to be made just does not make sense. Why are the elected Women of these parties throwing away in effect women's rights?

Cancelledcurio · 21/03/2024 11:42

Scotland is reduced to a laughing stock again by the eegit SNP and co. Labour backed them up of course. This has gave that vile piece of crap and his pals who hassled JK Rowling the ammunition to harrass decent people . Happy Days eh!! Why are these idiots trying to drive JK Rowling away from Scotland ? She is one of the highest taxpayers , she's great for tourists, she's a fab citizen ? But no these stupidos want her gone! What an absolute wee dive Scotland is becoming sadly.😭

Cancelledcurio · 21/03/2024 11:45

Fulton McGregor - wow what a bright wee sparky he is eh?😂

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 11:46

mrshoho · 21/03/2024 11:33

It is unfathomable that this is happening for real right under our noses. I want to scream. Why anyone would allow either of these laws to be made just does not make sense. Why are the elected Women of these parties throwing away in effect women's rights?

The Misogyny Working Griup was led by Helena Kennedy KC, who does know what a women is but it was in her interest not to mention that. Even before the WG met she was in the press saying she was including TIMs in the remit.
Once the draft Bill hits Holyrood we should tell our MSPs what we think, particularly if you have one on the committee handling the Bill (still TBC but could be Karen Adam's Equality committee or the more sensible but busy Justice committee). Make noise.

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 11:47

Cancelledcurio · 21/03/2024 11:42

Scotland is reduced to a laughing stock again by the eegit SNP and co. Labour backed them up of course. This has gave that vile piece of crap and his pals who hassled JK Rowling the ammunition to harrass decent people . Happy Days eh!! Why are these idiots trying to drive JK Rowling away from Scotland ? She is one of the highest taxpayers , she's great for tourists, she's a fab citizen ? But no these stupidos want her gone! What an absolute wee dive Scotland is becoming sadly.😭

She won't go anywhere. She is relishing the fight.

SirChenjins · 21/03/2024 11:50

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 11:47

She won't go anywhere. She is relishing the fight.

I agree. She’s digging in deep and has the power, resources and wherewithal to deal with this.

How the hell have we got to the point where men can claim to be women in single sex spaces and people are falling over themselves to facilitate the madness.

Cancelledcurio · 21/03/2024 12:02

She's fabulous!

Shortpoet · 21/03/2024 12:14

Hello, I’d like to report a hate crime.
JKR made my milk curdle.
No, I’ve never met her, but I know she’s been sending out hateful thoughts and my milk curdled. So you see the connection.
Arrest her immediately!

JanesLittleGirl · 21/03/2024 12:19

Who was the Constitutional Genius who designed the Scottish Parliament without a revising chamber?

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/03/2024 13:15

Shortpoet · 21/03/2024 12:14

Hello, I’d like to report a hate crime.
JKR made my milk curdle.
No, I’ve never met her, but I know she’s been sending out hateful thoughts and my milk curdled. So you see the connection.
Arrest her immediately!

My milk curdled, too!

I took the bottle out of the fridge door and it was as curdled as anything!

It was fine when I got it from Tesco 3 weeks ago - so it's JKR that's doing this stuff is it?

Officer! OFFICER!!! When you've finished taking @Shortpoet's report, I have one, too. In fact, two, because I'm sure it must have been her that ran down the batteries in my TV remote as well.

Myalternate · 21/03/2024 13:24

So, if I was intending to avail myself of a Ladies restroom and a Transgender person already in there saw me abruptly but silently, turn on my heel and exit said Ladies restroom, would that warrant a report under those weird Hate Crime laws ?

Waitwhat23 · 21/03/2024 13:29

Myalternate · 21/03/2024 13:24

So, if I was intending to avail myself of a Ladies restroom and a Transgender person already in there saw me abruptly but silently, turn on my heel and exit said Ladies restroom, would that warrant a report under those weird Hate Crime laws ?

It's a microaggression according to the University of Edinburgh so I can see how it could be utilised that way.

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/03/2024 13:36

Waitwhat23 · 21/03/2024 13:29

It's a microaggression according to the University of Edinburgh so I can see how it could be utilised that way.

Thank you.

It's comforting to know that a harmless literally violent action that might save a woman's life can be reported as a microaggression and get said woman a visit from the Thought Police.

PogueMahoneRishi · 21/03/2024 18:04

JanesLittleGirl · 21/03/2024 12:19

Who was the Constitutional Genius who designed the Scottish Parliament without a revising chamber?

It does have one, the committees. Many are just ineffectual and partial.

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