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All new hate crimes legislation - JKR stands firm

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Britinme · 18/03/2024 19:22

As reported in the Daily Telegraph, the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act at Holyrood in 2021 will come into force on April 1 after Police Scotland said it needed time for “training, guidance and communications planning”.
The legislation creates a criminal offence of “stirring up of hatred”, expanding on a similar offence based on racist abuse that has been on the statute book for decades.
Offences are considered “aggravated”, meaning they could lead to stiffer sentences, if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
Activists have already unsuccessfully attempted to have the author arrested for “misgendering” after she publicly called India Willoughby a male.
However, on Xitter, Rowling said "If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes." and "If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes."
Who's breaking out the Harry Potter Butterbeer popcorn? (https://youreverydayfamily.com/harry-potter-butterbeer-popcorn/)

JK Rowling vows to defy ‘ludicrous’ new hate crime laws

Harry Potter author insists she will continue to argue online that trans women are not women after Scotland tightens curbs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/18/jk-rowling-keep-calling-a-man-a-man-snp-hate-crime-laws/

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ChateauMargaux · 18/03/2024 20:48

Bring it on!!! JK.. we are all with you!!

SirChenjins · 18/03/2024 20:53

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fascinatingdei · 18/03/2024 20:57

As someone subjected to vile sectarian abuse my whole childhood, I’ll be extremely disappointed if this legislation is used in this way rather than against actual bigots.

fromorbit · 18/03/2024 21:01

As a lot of people are saying they can't arrest us all. So it looks like April 1st will be a chance for everyone to celebrate Accurate Sexing Day.

For anyone fancying doing some accurate sexing in public in defiance of the new anti-women law there is an upcoming event and I imagine there will be plenty of others:

Let Women Speak Edinburgh
Saturday 06 Apr 2024, 13:00 – 15:00
Location to be confirmed.

mumda · 18/03/2024 21:24

How busy could courts get before some judge decides that biology rules apply?

Rightsraptor · 18/03/2024 21:45

At least we won't be needing to crowdfund for JKR.

Britinme · 18/03/2024 22:39

Accurate Sexing Day sounds good

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Mollyollydolly · 19/03/2024 00:29

I genuinely believe now she mentioned IW knowing exactly what would happen. I think she wants them to charge her and take her to court. It will be the biggest mistake the TRAs ever made and of course Willoughby played straight into her hands. Takes a lot of courage though, she knows there will be 1000s of complaints against her.

Britinme · 19/03/2024 00:32

Nobody ever accused her of lacking courage

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 19/03/2024 00:43

As we all predicted, these absurd laws will be used by angry, bitter, vindictive abusive men to attack women who refuse to capitulate to gender ideology.

JKR is fucking fearless.

WandaWomblesaurus · 19/03/2024 00:46

This needs some Lumos

Tarquina · 19/03/2024 00:51

If they fine us, we must refuse to pay and go to prison instead.

Once in prison we must cause them as much trouble as possible for example we could hunger strike like the suffragettes did, then they have to let you out after a couple of days.

HardyCrow · 19/03/2024 01:09

Tarquina · 19/03/2024 00:51

If they fine us, we must refuse to pay and go to prison instead.

Once in prison we must cause them as much trouble as possible for example we could hunger strike like the suffragettes did, then they have to let you out after a couple of days.

They probably won’t let you out early for hunger striking. Definitely should clog the prisons though - anyone who can. If they’re smart Though they’ll try to avoid this kind of scenario

lonelywater · 19/03/2024 01:18

if I understand it right (according to Roddy Dunlop, KC, and others) the definition and test of the hate part is, get this-"whatever the recipient perceives it to be". Just let that sink in for a bit-no proof, no corroboration, no third party validation. If one were so minded it would only take, say, a few thousand vexatious phone calls a day from the terven to render this completely unworkable. Not that I would ever suggest such a course of action. No siree.

SquirrelSoShiny · 19/03/2024 01:48

lonelywater · 19/03/2024 01:18

if I understand it right (according to Roddy Dunlop, KC, and others) the definition and test of the hate part is, get this-"whatever the recipient perceives it to be". Just let that sink in for a bit-no proof, no corroboration, no third party validation. If one were so minded it would only take, say, a few thousand vexatious phone calls a day from the terven to render this completely unworkable. Not that I would ever suggest such a course of action. No siree.

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FrippEnos · 19/03/2024 05:12

Offences are considered “aggravated”, meaning they could lead to stiffer sentences, if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

I wonder if the article left "sex" out completely or whether its not in the proposed legislation.

MysteryDog · 19/03/2024 07:10

FrippEnos · 19/03/2024 05:12

Offences are considered “aggravated”, meaning they could lead to stiffer sentences, if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

I wonder if the article left "sex" out completely or whether its not in the proposed legislation.

I was just thinking the same! Hopefully someone can come along and illuminate us.
If it has been left out... Wtaf

Cailin66 · 19/03/2024 07:14

FrippEnos · 19/03/2024 05:12

Offences are considered “aggravated”, meaning they could lead to stiffer sentences, if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

I wonder if the article left "sex" out completely or whether its not in the proposed legislation.

It’s not in the legislation.

StealthSpinach · 19/03/2024 07:55

Sex has deliberately not been included.

Shows how much consideration is given to women, doesn’t it?

Chrysanthemum5 · 19/03/2024 08:55

Sex has not been included and apparently that's because not including it is more beneficial for women. They had spurious reasons but the real fact is that the police said if misogyny were included it would take too much time as it is so constant

fromorbit · 19/03/2024 08:57

Cailin66 · 19/03/2024 07:14

It’s not in the legislation.

Yeah the legislation protects everyone except prejudice against women or men on the basis of sex - one of the commonest forms of hate. Crosssdressers are protected though under the trans bit so I guess if you are a women that wears trousers and no make up you could use that identity as a defence. A man in a skirt is protected a woman in a skirt isn't - one of the most absurd aspects of the whole thing.

However, Hate Monster, someone who everyone takes seriously, is a JKR and women's rights supporter. Going to be attending Let Women Speak Edinburgh. It is great that the famous actor who was a star in the Furry Potter film series has always backed women. When Hate Monster agreed to appear in Police Scotland's advertising campaign HM didn't realise it would be use to promote anti-woman hate. HM is talking to a lawyer.

The muppet community is generally behind JKR see pic. She received the highest award muppets can offer as the first ever recipient of "The Jim Henson Celebration Honor".

All new hate crimes legislation - JKR stands firm
All new hate crimes legislation - JKR stands firm
All new hate crimes legislation - JKR stands firm
AlisonDonut · 19/03/2024 08:58

They said years ago that sex had to be left out as otherwise the police would never do anything else other than investigate sex based crimes.

And we can't have that now can we?

PogueMahoneRishi · 19/03/2024 09:12

fascinatingdei · 18/03/2024 20:57

As someone subjected to vile sectarian abuse my whole childhood, I’ll be extremely disappointed if this legislation is used in this way rather than against actual bigots.

It will. The woman that was charged in 2021 for posting a photo of a ribbon was reported because the idiots thought this Act was law once it received Royal Assent. They reported her tweets a day or so after the Assent, assuming they'd get her arrested. So, now they realise it will come in on April Fool's Day they will go on a reporting spree.

Isthisexpected · 19/03/2024 09:16

AlisonDonut · 19/03/2024 08:58

They said years ago that sex had to be left out as otherwise the police would never do anything else other than investigate sex based crimes.

And we can't have that now can we?

Well quite. Says it all really.

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