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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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DojaPhat · 17/04/2024 20:12

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Precisely. So now she's a fully-fledged girl boss she can put her sharp elbows to use perfectly, starting right at home.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2024 20:23

DojaPhat · 17/04/2024 20:12

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Precisely. So now she's a fully-fledged girl boss she can put her sharp elbows to use perfectly, starting right at home.

Would you expect any other journalist to serve some sort of weird penance for her dad's crimes by airing her family dirty laundry on the radio?

Or just Emma Barnett?

WinterTrees · 17/04/2024 20:41

BettyFilous · 17/04/2024 19:11

There are some very odd contributions on this thread.

Agreed. Really weird.

LMMuffet · 17/04/2024 20:55

Reading this thread makes me realise that WH needs to report more on the phenomenon of internalised misogyny…

ADoggyDogWorld · 17/04/2024 20:58

Congratulations to Emma on her new role.

I must say I am confused by the reference to a Bureau of Justice, and stats flowing therefrom.

AuContraire · 17/04/2024 21:01

This thread is wild.

Any word on who we're getting to replace Emma?

Well done to Emma on her promotion to today. It's funny, I was so disappointed at her getting WH when she started because of her TWAW mantra-chanting, but it became apparent very quickly that the BBC had forced its presenters to pledge their allegiance to the Holy Church Of Gender.

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 10:02

WoopsLiza is your comment implying that the other 23 hrs of radio time is purely devoted to anything concerning absolutely nothing to do with women?

As well as that my post is about women. Women can be and are abusers too so why would it not be a topic on WH or are only positive aspects of our gender acceptable listening?
A good discussion would be why either gender develop this abnormal behaviour and desperate need for power and controlling behaviour.

MissScarletinTheBallroom
EB would have had to be a very precocious child to have referred to the women enslaved into prostitution in emails between her and her father as whores?
Despite being away at boarding school during the earlier years of the criminal empire that existed run by her father, it is hard to believe that as she grew older she was not aware of where the immense family income was obtained.

If she does really stand up for women's issues why have some of listeners noticed, for example this overly strong dislike of the police? Many of us listeners feel that she cannot discuss matters relating to trafficking and prostitution without her family background not remotely influencing her views? This especially when she says that people like her parents should be forgiven for their past wrong doing. It is very clear that generosity certainly doesn't extend to some of those she interviews.
If it had not been for the way she has responded towards certain subjects I doubt I would have ever bothered looking at her as a radio presenter more closely.

EB stated on the programme about miscarriage certificates that she was so incredibly happy to have a record of her miscarriage to put in the family archives for her children to see in the future. Would that include a white washed version of the less salubrious family history too?

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 10:12

Nula McGovern Monday to Wednesday so I hear.

WarningOfGails · 18/04/2024 10:57

Just for the record Emma Barnett was never at boarding school. She attended a private day school.

nauticant · 18/04/2024 11:58

She's not the worst person they could have chosen. She's a little bit less "you go girl!" and #bekind than the others.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2024 12:05

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 10:02

WoopsLiza is your comment implying that the other 23 hrs of radio time is purely devoted to anything concerning absolutely nothing to do with women?

As well as that my post is about women. Women can be and are abusers too so why would it not be a topic on WH or are only positive aspects of our gender acceptable listening?
A good discussion would be why either gender develop this abnormal behaviour and desperate need for power and controlling behaviour.

MissScarletinTheBallroom
EB would have had to be a very precocious child to have referred to the women enslaved into prostitution in emails between her and her father as whores?
Despite being away at boarding school during the earlier years of the criminal empire that existed run by her father, it is hard to believe that as she grew older she was not aware of where the immense family income was obtained.

If she does really stand up for women's issues why have some of listeners noticed, for example this overly strong dislike of the police? Many of us listeners feel that she cannot discuss matters relating to trafficking and prostitution without her family background not remotely influencing her views? This especially when she says that people like her parents should be forgiven for their past wrong doing. It is very clear that generosity certainly doesn't extend to some of those she interviews.
If it had not been for the way she has responded towards certain subjects I doubt I would have ever bothered looking at her as a radio presenter more closely.

EB stated on the programme about miscarriage certificates that she was so incredibly happy to have a record of her miscarriage to put in the family archives for her children to see in the future. Would that include a white washed version of the less salubrious family history too?

What on earth is this weird vendetta you seem to have against a successful female journalist who was raised in pretty fucked up conditions?

As a child she would have struggled to understand what was normal and what wasn't.

When she graduated from her journalism course, many of her peers who hoped for an illustrious career in the media would have been exploiting family connections to get the best internships and entry level jobs. Meanwhile Emma's dad was being sentenced to jail for his illegal activities. Not many family connections to fall back on there unless you are planning to follow a more criminal career path.

I genuinely don't understand why you think she is in any way responsible for the situation she was raised in, or why, having got where she is today on her own merits, she should have to lay her family life bare for public consumption when her colleagues who have followed the more well trodden middle class path from private school to university to the BBC via their dad or uncle or godfather do not have to.

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 16:14

Why do you feel you can post comments and not expect any response MissScarletInTheBallroom?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2024 16:15

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 16:14

Why do you feel you can post comments and not expect any response MissScarletInTheBallroom?

Huh?

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 16:31

WarningOfGails
Considering what filming and activities was said to have taken place in her parents house that seems positively startling.
Perhaps she is going to be more open about her family as she is featuring on the front page of Saturday's I newspaper with an article called," How to be happy."
I have no vendetta against her but I do like a certain impartiality from those who hold powerful positions and no other presenter has ever annoyed me tbh or more than she has especially having being such a regular presence.
I have felt disappointed in the Trump like hero worship/ adoration that seems to negatively influence any interesting debate.
If she was less about Emma and more about the subject or person being interviewed I would have a lot more respect for her.

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 16:36

Huh! That seems the most intelligent comment you have made MissScarletInTheBallroom.
At no point have I stated that EB was responsible for her parents criminality but I have made the point it has affected her ability to be impartial and fair in her own views.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2024 16:41

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 16:36

Huh! That seems the most intelligent comment you have made MissScarletInTheBallroom.
At no point have I stated that EB was responsible for her parents criminality but I have made the point it has affected her ability to be impartial and fair in her own views.

But you have no evidence to support that claim whatsoever.

And you kept going on about how she should have interviewed her dad on WH, which is just a really weird take.

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 18:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom
[And you kept going on about how she should have interviewed her dad on WH, which is just a really weird take.]
You are getting me confused. I did not say that though I did agree that it would make interesting listening.
I do not have to prove my own views.You are welcome to disagree but I suggest you read comments properly before calling whatever I post weird.

WoopsLiza · 19/04/2024 13:55

Nonowt · 18/04/2024 10:02

WoopsLiza is your comment implying that the other 23 hrs of radio time is purely devoted to anything concerning absolutely nothing to do with women?

As well as that my post is about women. Women can be and are abusers too so why would it not be a topic on WH or are only positive aspects of our gender acceptable listening?
A good discussion would be why either gender develop this abnormal behaviour and desperate need for power and controlling behaviour.

MissScarletinTheBallroom
EB would have had to be a very precocious child to have referred to the women enslaved into prostitution in emails between her and her father as whores?
Despite being away at boarding school during the earlier years of the criminal empire that existed run by her father, it is hard to believe that as she grew older she was not aware of where the immense family income was obtained.

If she does really stand up for women's issues why have some of listeners noticed, for example this overly strong dislike of the police? Many of us listeners feel that she cannot discuss matters relating to trafficking and prostitution without her family background not remotely influencing her views? This especially when she says that people like her parents should be forgiven for their past wrong doing. It is very clear that generosity certainly doesn't extend to some of those she interviews.
If it had not been for the way she has responded towards certain subjects I doubt I would have ever bothered looking at her as a radio presenter more closely.

EB stated on the programme about miscarriage certificates that she was so incredibly happy to have a record of her miscarriage to put in the family archives for her children to see in the future. Would that include a white washed version of the less salubrious family history too?

No I am not suggesting that the 23 hours is dedicated to anything but women. However the story you are suggesting would need to centre men's voices and therefore would be inappropriate for the one hour when women's voices are supposed to be the focus

WoopsLiza · 19/04/2024 13:57

Also your equivocation between EBs family's criminality and her experinec of pregnancy loss and miscarriage is revolting. Fancy using someone's dead child as a cheap rhetorical trick.

Nonowt · 19/04/2024 18:04

Whoa
You are way out of order.
I have made a point that others here seem to also share that her impartiality regarding some issues is questionable.
The issue of miscarriage certificates was discussed separately as one of her programmes and one that raised a lot of questions for some people as to the value of such certificates.
EB stated at the end of the programme it was something she would treasure and put in the family album. Is it about a perceived baby that she didn't have? Miscarriages are sometimes because something is wrong and nature's way of protecting us.
This concept of certificates for miscarriages which BTW are not always unwelcome when a pregnancy was unplanned, create a great deal of discomfort for those women who made the unenviable decision to have a termination.
I do not feel EB thinks these concepts through and it seems all about her.
I would think better of her if she also appreciated that many listeners cannot get IVF from the NHS never mind have several attempts.

WoopsLiza · 20/04/2024 08:14

Everyone can see your original comment, which clearly suggests that EB is somehow wrong to want a record of her lost pregnancy but not the criminal actions of her father. Nonsensical and cruel.

The lost pregnancy certificates are for people who apply for them. No one who doesn't want one would be given one. You have zero points to make here, either in your first comment on it or your second.

Your weird personal vendetta against this woman is scrambling your ability to think straight.

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