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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent - Alternatives to GenderGP for HRT?

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SisterSupport · 15/03/2024 10:32

Following on from my earlier thread, please could you recommend alternatives to GenderGP which are likely to offer better holistic care, should our ASD 19yo DS wish to pursue the HRT route (which we obviously hope he won't)? Someone mentioned GenderCare and there's obviously the NHS. We've registered with the Bayswater support group and will be seeing our DS over the weekend to hopefully talk about things. Thanks for your help and support.

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My DS (19, ASD & ADHD) has made an appointment with GenderGP because he wants HRT. What can we say to help him change his mind please or at leas...

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TheClogLady · 20/03/2024 09:46

Nottingham is very popular with young people transitioning because it has a shorter wait time of about 2 years (achieved at least in part by funnelling existing patients through the pathway more rapidly than other GICs). This means a child referred to GIDs at 14/15 who ages out of paediatrics without being seen and is transferred to adult services at 17.5-18 will go straight to the top of Nottingham’s list.

Nottingham is supervising two ‘pilot’ services (Indigo in Manchester and East of England, which IIRC is Norwich and surrounds). These are also very popular, especially with younger people (university populations). I haven’t looked at EoE much but Indigo is mostly staffed by transgender people and chaired by Stephen Whittle (Press for Change founder, self described architect of the GRA, first ever non clinical chair of WPATH recently retired from
MMU). The staff are called ‘Care Pathway Navigators’ and doctors just seem to sign off whatever the Care Navigators suggest. Anyone complex is supposed to go to Nottingham to see the proper GIC, but who is deciding who is complex?

Basically Notts is the victim of its own success, it has lots of activists working in the three associated services and the top staff are at the cutting edge of new fangled gender. Like all GICs they are unable to recruit enough qualified staff to meet demand (and they are under more demand than other GICs). Activist staff pressure clinical and clerical staff (which makes normie staff leave) and the whole house of cards seems to be teetering.

On trans forums Notts have gone from being lauded as the best GIC to having loads of complaints re: late appointments and missed paperwork, and trans patients love to complain to PALS so at a time when WPATH is being dragged in international media, the one UK clinic stuffed with WPATH believers is getting loads of complaints. They are also getting the patient group that Cass is trying to investigate (GIDs transfers).

Must be a terrible place to work at the moment 🙊

Cheesehound · 20/03/2024 09:58

Many thanks @TheClogLady - I recently considered applying for a role at the The Nottingham Young people’s Gender Service (NYGS) which I understood has been created as a response to the Cass Review. Not sure if this will be staffed with people keen for children to transition - I believe it’s more about addressing MH/neurodivergent issues in order to prevent children from transitioning en mass.

But now I’m not so sure! Do you know anything about this service?

TheClogLady · 20/03/2024 10:07

No one knows anything much about the new Paeds stuff yet, my info is all from publicly available resources/lurking trans forums.

It makes sense that a ‘young persons’
service is planned for Notts because that’s where tons of 17.5-25 year olds are ending up due the scenario described above. I know Cass was very curious about post GIDs adolescents and those who enter the GIC pathway as soon as they turn 17-18 (when the NHS generally treats everyone as an adult).

It would be great if curious, cautious, sensible people were taking up roles in the new services but I would be worried re: what the work environment is going to be like. Have you considered contacting some of the OG GIDs whistleblowers who are supposedly coming back to the new services? If you were tapped into the network of more cautious staff that could make a big difference as to how tolerable the workplace is.

Who knows, maybe the WPATH scandal will result in lots of change at the top of the existing Notts GIC?

(Will come back with names but need to google spellings!)

TheClogLady · 20/03/2024 10:13

I’m going to DM you the names, it’s all publicly available info but I’m wary of creating Google results that mesh the previously mentioned doctors and these together!

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2024 10:16

Cheesehound · 20/03/2024 09:58

Many thanks @TheClogLady - I recently considered applying for a role at the The Nottingham Young people’s Gender Service (NYGS) which I understood has been created as a response to the Cass Review. Not sure if this will be staffed with people keen for children to transition - I believe it’s more about addressing MH/neurodivergent issues in order to prevent children from transitioning en mass.

But now I’m not so sure! Do you know anything about this service?

I had a look at the Nottingham Service yesterday and not only are they still referring to the WPATH SOC 8, the one with the eunuch gender stuff (deleted yesterday) but one of the heads is an ex President of WPATH and still on their listing.

Cheesehound · 20/03/2024 10:24

Thankyou very much @TheClogLady and @AlisonDonut - this is really useful.

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