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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Andrew Doyle on WPATH - live now

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ArabellaScott · 10/03/2024 19:08

https://www.gbnews.com/watch/live

Just starting to discuss the scandal.

GB News Live

https://www.gbnews.com/watch/live

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Rightsraptor · 11/03/2024 11:07

I rather thought Ritchie's interview was cut short because he swore. Mind you, the show was running out of time and AD was audibly speeding up at the end: there was masses cover. Thank God someone has. Thank you Andrew and team.

If you watch on catch up it lets you (or me, anyway) fast forward through the ads and that's my normal modus operandi with FSN -join around 7.30, skip through the ads, weather & 8pm news and finish around the end of the live broadcast.

duc748 · 11/03/2024 11:16

Jazz Jennings. I'd heard the name, but didn't know the story. I just briefly read a bit (the Wiki page on him, and a piece from Spiked). A life wrecked, how awful. And loons like Bowers and their grisly crew want more Jazz Jennings in the world?

I watched about half the programme live last night, didn't see the beginning, so missed Robin. But I've seen him before, so not bothered about that.

Femaleismysex · 11/03/2024 12:27

“It's such an act of male aggression to believe you can know how women feel.”

another T-Shirt worthy slogan.
thanks @literalviolence

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2024 12:29

think the basis is that a trans identifying person has a special, extra perception and also a unique license to talk about it.

So I guess Robin is qualified to instruct me, as a mere woman, in what my essence is. Because Robin can perceive it and I can't.

To be honest, I would like it if Robin, or any genderist at all, can articulate for me what my lady essence should consist of. But somehow they never do.

duc748 · 11/03/2024 12:36

They could flog it to Chanel and make their fortune! 😁

Beowulfa · 11/03/2024 12:38

I was just going to say Essence Of Woman sounds like a cheap Superdrug gift set panic-bought on 24 Dec by a man for a female relative he doesn't know at all.

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ArabellaScott · 11/03/2024 13:38

Patti doesn't specify if Teen Spirit is gendered. She doesn't need to because she's a fucking goddess.

Patti Smith - Smells Like Teen Spirit (Cover Nirvana)

08/30/2008 - Peace Festival, Kazan, Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNeYFtbOTQ

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WickedSerious · 11/03/2024 13:43

duc748 · 11/03/2024 12:36

They could flog it to Chanel and make their fortune! 😁

Splash it all over.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2024 13:46

pronounsbundlebundle · 11/03/2024 09:49

Christ on a bike that NHS video.

Appalling - the banality of evil as Helen Joyce - who appeared visibly upset by it - said.

Good for GB news and Doyle for showing it. It is very much in the public, and parent's, interests. It's also about safeguarding and as those supposed to safeguard children are failing, we need journalists to step up. As they (eventually) did for the Post office scandal.

That 'doctor' who is claiming the norm for starting periods is 9 and other sources say he claims he's a transman* (which only a biological woman can be) seems to be unable not to lie - you just have to look at him and hear his voice to see he's lying - and should NOT be in charge of medical care for anyone, let alone children. Is it possible to raise a safeguarding concern with medical authorities about this video and the fitness to practice of the person giving it?

I know a lot of girls and 9 was very much the outlier early end of periods. Most didn't get them until secondary school, which is at least 2 years later.

He's talking about halting the puberty / inducing menopause in a 9 year old girl FFS. Inducing menopause - for what benefit? There is no evidence this is beneficial for gender questioning children. And what is the evidence of side effects / harm?

I bet they don't know.

They don't even know that much about natural menopause. The fact they're even talking about 'how many times' someone can go through menopause is really worrying. It's been a pretty one way street for all the women I know who've been through it - including those who've been through it due to cancer treatments. It's seems wildly and unethically optimistic to think you can just 'undo' it and go back to normal. Especially if you've never been through puberty in the first place at the appropriate time. Where's the evidence?

*Dear MN moderators - this man claims he's a transman, in which case his pronouns are probably he and him but the video didn't specify so I'm using normal, standard English, which more than 90% of the population use and which is to use sex based pronouns.

Is it possible to raise a safeguarding concern with medical authorities about this video and the fitness to practice of the person giving it?

It seems that this person is considered to be a leading expert in this field and therefore in an influential position. I reckon it would be a public service to make a complaint given the incorrect information, lack of knowledge about child development and deeply worrying discussion about creating the menopause in a 9 year old girl.

Does anyone know how complaints can be made about this?

AlisonDonut · 11/03/2024 13:46

The BBC, ITV, Sky etc can't possibly cover this on such a memorable day as a photo being recalled from the Royals.

Come on, give them a break. This is ground breaking stuff they are having to deal with. Will anyone think of the Royal Correspondents? Probably not, bigots.

WickedSerious · 11/03/2024 13:56

AlisonDonut · 11/03/2024 13:46

The BBC, ITV, Sky etc can't possibly cover this on such a memorable day as a photo being recalled from the Royals.

Come on, give them a break. This is ground breaking stuff they are having to deal with. Will anyone think of the Royal Correspondents? Probably not, bigots.

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Reminds me of our local rag,murder trials are kept off the front page by the news that the council are considering pedestrianising the high street.

Shock,horror probe etc.

Mollyollydolly · 11/03/2024 14:01

The BBC News at One just did EIGHT minutes on their lead story, a badly photoshopped family photograph, with fact checks and everything.
When I think I can't get more angry I do.
But this scandal, doesn't merit even a 20 second news clip.

OldCrone · 11/03/2024 14:21

I think Andrew Doyle did well trying to get RMW to explain what a gender identity is. Because this whole shitshow has come about because of a belief that there is such a thing as gender identity.

Children and vulnerable adults who are being treated with 'gender affirming' surgery and medication are receiving this treatment because their 'gender identity' doesn't 'align with their sex'. But none of the people pushing this can ever define what a gender identity is, nor in what ways it should align with someone's sex.

The best that RMW could come up with was an 'essence' of femaleness or maleness, which is nothing to do with their sex and only the person who experiences it can perceive it. So how can we know it's real or that everyone who says they experience this is experiencing the same thing? There's no objective test.

So we end up with children, schooled by adults with dubious motives on the internet, self-diagnosing a condition based on a feeling which has no definition and then being given medical 'treatments' for that feeling which can't be defined.

literalviolence · 11/03/2024 14:56

OldCrone · 11/03/2024 14:21

I think Andrew Doyle did well trying to get RMW to explain what a gender identity is. Because this whole shitshow has come about because of a belief that there is such a thing as gender identity.

Children and vulnerable adults who are being treated with 'gender affirming' surgery and medication are receiving this treatment because their 'gender identity' doesn't 'align with their sex'. But none of the people pushing this can ever define what a gender identity is, nor in what ways it should align with someone's sex.

The best that RMW could come up with was an 'essence' of femaleness or maleness, which is nothing to do with their sex and only the person who experiences it can perceive it. So how can we know it's real or that everyone who says they experience this is experiencing the same thing? There's no objective test.

So we end up with children, schooled by adults with dubious motives on the internet, self-diagnosing a condition based on a feeling which has no definition and then being given medical 'treatments' for that feeling which can't be defined.

And why do we expect this essence to be correlated with one's biological sex? what can't people be more modern in their thinking and stop expecting your biological to dictate your interests and personality? that's the proper and safe way to affirm.

HeartofSaturdayNight · 11/03/2024 14:59

"And why do we expect this essence to be correlated with one's biological sex? what can't people be more modern in their thinking and stop expecting your biological to dictate your interests and personality? that's the proper and safe way to affirm."

Absolutely @literalviolence

Windymoore · 11/03/2024 15:07

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2024 13:28

https://soulandself.com/blog/qualities-of-the-feminine-essence

So. Womanly Essence includes:

tenderness, sensitivity, radiance, and pissoffiness.

I may have misremembered that slightly.

Think those may also be the symptoms of a yeast infection 🤔 they might want to get some ointment for that

RethinkingLife · 11/03/2024 15:51

Windymoore · 11/03/2024 15:07

Think those may also be the symptoms of a yeast infection 🤔 they might want to get some ointment for that

A helpful clotrimazole pessary and/or some fluconazole capsules would also work a treat and both are available OTC.

'Colour to a blind man', with the suggestion that everyone is blind to gender identity except for trans people.

So far from being a thought leader, nothing but clichés on offer. This is what happens when people, from 'kindness,' give others a misplaced assessment of their contributions and ignore serendipity, lack of competitors in the field with a comparable novel 'story', and a fashionable cause.

Women talking about day-to-day problems can be ignored. But, yet another brave transformation story after weathering a life of privilege—catnip.

And yet, none of this is anything approaching an explanation, far less an excuse, for the failures of due diligence around WPATH.

GrandmaMazur · 12/03/2024 16:38

Andrew Doyle did a fabulous job with this but it’s sad that so many people are snippy about GB News (despite never having watched it) which means they won’t see it. I make a point to catch up on Free Speech Nation every week (never live as I can’t bear all the adverts).

I would have liked Robin to talk about children but he didn’t seem to mention them at all.

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