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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex

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SickofSoup · 09/03/2024 11:16

I’m sure I’ve seen articles where trans individuals are actually claiming to have changed sex, eg IW claiming to have a cervix. Is there anything out there I can point a friend to, to show that this is happening? Friend and I can have sensible conversations about this which is great but I could do with some help from you awesome lot.

i don’t post here much but I started the break it down for me thread back in the day on a now deleted account!

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2024 17:48

The BBC once made a spectacularly amusing (unintentionally) video profile of them, in a series they made a few years ago called "Meet the Activists".

WallaceinAnderland · 09/03/2024 17:59

The usual suspect:

Biology absolutely changes. My body chemistry is more female than Martina’s. My anatomy is female. The fact Martina and other bigots refuse to acknowledge me or any woman who happens to be trans is deeply offensive. If it sticks in her craw so much, she shouldn’t be commentating.

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1680880392461508608

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1680880392461508608

JanesLittleGirl · 09/03/2024 18:12

I'm fairly certain that I have seen a tweet by RMW where RMW claims to be biologically female.

WallaceinAnderland · 09/03/2024 18:12

Here's another one

Personally I don't follow the logic, but it all seems to be about what you look like on the outside and nothing to do with biology, except for needing to take hormones and have medical interventions 😕

Peter you’re wrong. Trans people can absolutely change biological sex. That’s exactly what hormones and surgery do. Having an internal organ or being XX are NOT the deciders. Go down the medical route, you change sex. Look at trans men. What you’re saying here is a bit terfy

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1700471327486775328

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1700471327486775328

viques · 09/03/2024 18:50

WallaceinAnderland · 09/03/2024 17:59

The usual suspect:

Biology absolutely changes. My body chemistry is more female than Martina’s. My anatomy is female. The fact Martina and other bigots refuse to acknowledge me or any woman who happens to be trans is deeply offensive. If it sticks in her craw so much, she shouldn’t be commentating.

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1680880392461508608

I would almost be prepared to have a modicum of sympathy for IW if he was for once prepared to admit to the difficulties of dealing with a post operative m to f body, about the drudgery of dilating your designer vagina so that it doesn’t try to heal up, about how tricky it is when an intimate part of your anatomy isn’t self cleaning…….. but no, all is wonderful, everything works perfectly, just like the real thing.

HoneyWogan · 09/03/2024 19:38

This is just another case like the word 'literally' - being manipulated in modern times to be used to explicitly mean 'not literally'.

HoneyWogan · 09/03/2024 19:45

viques · 09/03/2024 18:50

I would almost be prepared to have a modicum of sympathy for IW if he was for once prepared to admit to the difficulties of dealing with a post operative m to f body, about the drudgery of dilating your designer vagina so that it doesn’t try to heal up, about how tricky it is when an intimate part of your anatomy isn’t self cleaning…….. but no, all is wonderful, everything works perfectly, just like the real thing.

He's probably eternally furious about the confounding paradox that, were he to go on incessantly about the great many challenges that he faces in life as a 'woman' - far above and beyond and more brave and courageous than those faced by 'boring' women - he could likely garner a lot of sympathy; but then that would completely blow out of the water all 'self-affirming' demanding claims of actually being a true biological woman.

Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 19:55

Whaaaaa.....?

Rainbowshit · 09/03/2024 20:21

Here's a couple of screenshots of tweets. I was sure I had a Katy Montgomerie one as well but can't find it.

I lost my Twitter account where I had these bookmarked.

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
DerekFaker · 09/03/2024 20:29

Video of a transwoman giving evidence to the US Senate, claiming to be biologically female:

https://twitter.com/scarlett4kids/status/1735038716660400342?t=9hGrU8a5ECLii043bpDqsA&s=19

https://twitter.com/scarlett4kids/status/1735038716660400342?s=19&t=9hGrU8a5ECLii043bpDqsA

Rainbowshit · 09/03/2024 20:29

A few more randoms on Twitter

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
Rainbowshit · 09/03/2024 20:32

Another of India claiming to have xx chromosomes.

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
DerekFaker · 09/03/2024 20:36

InvisibleBuffy · 09/03/2024 15:26

But theres a bunch of examples, I think someone on twitter put together a video of people claiming that trans women are biologically female. It went on for ages. I'll see if I can find it but it's not this rare thing. People really do believe it

I think this is it

https://twitter.com/third_turtle/status/1444558098887237634?t=4QekQF5T_JvVMjROCzLg3g&s=19

I also found a couple of.examples when I was looking for it.

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
DerekFaker · 09/03/2024 20:38

InvisibleBuffy · 09/03/2024 16:17

Just to be clear, I shared the metro article because I'm assuming that OP is looking for people claiming that trans people claim to change sex, not the actual evidence that they do as that obviously doesn't exist.

No you're right. I think a few posters have got the wrong end of the stick.

DerekFaker · 09/03/2024 20:42

Claims from two trans biologists.

Evidence of trans claiming to change sex
DerekFaker · 09/03/2024 20:49

A few more, then I'm off out!

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AvacadoFieldsForever · 09/03/2024 21:15

V Ivy went on Trevor Noah’s chat show and said something like “I am legally female and biologically a person so therefore I am biologically female”. Unchallenged!

HoneyWogan · 09/03/2024 21:32

This all reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's quote:

"How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?
Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg."

SpicyMoth · 09/03/2024 21:34

Reddit. R/MtF has a LOT of these posts on the regular. There was one only the other week iirc - I'll try to find it for you!

EDIT; Didn't take long, just searched "biological women" in my history and it popped up immediately.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1b1vzcp/trans_women_are_biologically_female_get_used_to_it/

EDIT 2; It's worth a peruse of the subreddit in general tbh, it can be a HUUUUGE eye opener some of the threads created and comments made - Especially re; the sexual aspects that can feature among the community.
Not that many of us on this board need that, but it could definitely be a good resource to peak others who are more on the fence about how to feel.

SickofSoup · 09/03/2024 22:03

Thanks so much for all the replies, I will read them through tomorrow.

apologies if I wasn’t clear, I’m looking for evidence of claims of changing sex, I’m completely satisfied that it (changing sex) does not and cannot happen. Friend was saying that trans people do not claim to, and perhaps not all do, but I knew I’d come across it before!

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Emotionalsupportviper · 10/03/2024 13:32

I’m sure I’ve seen articles where trans individuals are actually claiming to have changed sex, eg IW claiming to have a cervix. Is there anything out there I can point a friend to, to show that this is happening?

No, because it doesn't happen.

No matter how many hormones, how much surgery, how many head tilts, and how much wishing on a star, nobody changes sex.

You are born either male OR female*, and you remain that sex all of your life.

Anything you do to yourself to alter your appearance is just that - an alteration in your appearance. Same as if you got a nose job or had your ears pinned back or your teeth straightened.

*in rare instances there may be ambiguity - but full chromosomal examination will still be able to confirm whether the individual is male OR female.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/03/2024 13:34

TheGoddessFreyja · 09/03/2024 15:43

No evidence as in an article but have been argued with online a year or so ago from someone saying that trans women require cervical screenings because they do have a cervix..

They have cervical vertebrae, if that's any help. 🤔

Don't need any screening though.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/03/2024 13:39

JanesLittleGirl · 09/03/2024 18:12

I'm fairly certain that I have seen a tweet by RMW where RMW claims to be biologically female.

There's footage somewhere of RMW insisting this in a conversation with Maya Forstater, and Maya just answers, "I see a man", causing RMW to make the well-known "bulldog-licking-piss-off-a-nettle" face.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/03/2024 13:48

Rainbowshit · 09/03/2024 20:21

Here's a couple of screenshots of tweets. I was sure I had a Katy Montgomerie one as well but can't find it.

I lost my Twitter account where I had these bookmarked.

Since when has "gay" had anything to do with "trans"? You can be gay whatever body you have - it just means you are attracted to among with the same sexual "apparatus."

Another of India claiming to have xx chromosomes.

I think India has "Why, why why?" chromosomes.