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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
everythingthelighttouches · 02/03/2024 19:35

I would like to see this broken down by type, as I don’t believe that biologists and medics would say anything but sex is binary .

I guess a large proportion of those surveyed that thought sex wasn’t binary were social scientists.

“Only UK lecturers were invited to fill in the form and more than half were educated to PhD level or higher. The faculty of social sciences accounted for 18 per cent of the participants, 13 per cent were medicine and 12 per cent were life sciences.”

Froodwithatowel · 02/03/2024 19:37

How many of the minority actually, seriously believe that sex is not binary and how many believe it's nice to pretend and to speak the lies that cover up the unwanted facts for the TQ+ political lobby? Or were too scared to be honest?

Thelnebriati · 02/03/2024 19:41

Those who believe that sex is not binary need to explain what the third gamete is and what role it plays in human reproduction.

ApocalipstickNow · 02/03/2024 19:41

How many of these were social scientists?

🤣

ditalini · 02/03/2024 19:49

What was the point of asking social scientists? They're no more academically qualified to answer than the average person.

Possibly less so, because some of them will be suffering from queer theory syndrome.

nauticant · 02/03/2024 20:09

Get them to the re-education camp, pronto!

ApocalipstickNow · 02/03/2024 20:11

ditalini · 02/03/2024 19:49

What was the point of asking social scientists? They're no more academically qualified to answer than the average person.

Possibly less so, because some of them will be suffering from queer theory syndrome.

It was a joke, for the reasons you mention.

Hence the laughing emoji.

Helleofabore · 02/03/2024 20:14

Oh. Good. The majority eh? So much more to post to those constant mantraing that we are the minority and dinosaurs.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 02/03/2024 20:15

Two plus two equals four, say a majority of mathematicians.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/03/2024 20:46

everythingthelighttouches · 02/03/2024 19:35

I would like to see this broken down by type, as I don’t believe that biologists and medics would say anything but sex is binary .

I guess a large proportion of those surveyed that thought sex wasn’t binary were social scientists.

“Only UK lecturers were invited to fill in the form and more than half were educated to PhD level or higher. The faculty of social sciences accounted for 18 per cent of the participants, 13 per cent were medicine and 12 per cent were life sciences.”

I agree it needs a breakdown by discipline.

If 25% were scientists with a relevant qualification (life sciences or medicine) who I really hope know what they're talking about, 18% social sciences - most likely to account for the nonsense answers, it looks as if chemists, physicists etc are about 50:50.

Which is disappointing. Even though it's completely out side their area you'd hope they'd be better at weighing evidence - so it's a sign they simply aren't paying attention or applying their brains.

I'll excuse quantum physicists. It's reasonable for them to be terminally confused when working daily with a world built on fundamental impossibilities.

ExtraDay · 02/03/2024 21:35

As a matter of interest, here are the guidelines in Nature's (science journal's) advice to authors:
'Authors should use the terms sex (biological attribute) and gender (shaped by social and cultural circumstances) carefully in order to avoid confusing both terms.
Sex – refers to currently understood biological differences between females and males, including chromosomes, sex organs, and endogenous hormonal profiles. Sex is usually categorized as female or male, although there is variation in the biological attributes that constitute sex.
Gender – refers to socially constructed and enacted roles and behaviours which occur in a historical and cultural context and vary across societies and over time. Gender is usually incorrectly conceptualized as a binary (man / woman or feminine/masculine) factor. In reality, there is a spectrum of gender identities and expressions defining how individuals identify themselves and express their gender
Gender identity – an individual’s conception of self as being a man, woman, masculine, feminine, nonbinary, ambivalent, etc., based in part on physical, psychological and social factors. It is the internal experience of a gender role. There is a broad range of gender identities including, but not limited to, transgender, gender-queer, gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, genderless, agender, nongender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and cisgender
Gender presentation – how a person publicly expresses or presents their gender identity. This can include behaviour and outward appearance such as dress, hair, make-up, body language and voice. A person’s chosen name and pronouns are also common ways of expressing gender. Others perceive a person’s gender through these attributes. Another term is “gender expression.”'

I read that and think, thank goodness I'm a physicist; but it seems reasonable, even if they missed off 'not a clue, don't really care' from the gender ID bit.

PriOn1 · 02/03/2024 21:40

To all those hoping these weren’t “real scientists” there are quite a few in the veterinary profession who’ve bought into all this nonsense. I wish I could say my profession is immune, but it isn’t.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/03/2024 21:51

Vets definitley fall into the 'WTF?! You know this!' category.

IcakethereforeIam · 02/03/2024 22:09

You'd think, if a vet doesn't know this never, never accept a cup of tea from them. Unless you don't take milk.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/03/2024 22:39

I've been elbow deep in my share of sheep. Not a job for people who can't tell ram from ewe.

ExtraDay · 02/03/2024 22:40

I'm enjoying the accidental poetry, Binturong:

I've been elbow deep
In my share of sheep.
Not a job for people who
Can't tell ram from ewe.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/03/2024 22:46

Ha! I hadn't spotted that.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/03/2024 22:46

One for Beetle's next edition.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/03/2024 22:52

ApocalipstickNow · 02/03/2024 19:41

How many of these were social scientists?

🤣

In what way is a 'social scientist' a real scientist?

ApocalipstickNow · 03/03/2024 10:23

🤦‍♀️

They’re not- hence the laughing emoji which usually means “I’m making a joke here.”

its ok if you didn’t find it funny but you can pull the stick out of your arse, you’ll be more comfy.

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JanesLittleGirl · 03/03/2024 11:02

ApocalipstickNow · 03/03/2024 10:23

🤦‍♀️

They’re not- hence the laughing emoji which usually means “I’m making a joke here.”

its ok if you didn’t find it funny but you can pull the stick out of your arse, you’ll be more comfy.

Sorry, it was a cack-handed way of agreeing with you.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/03/2024 11:24

“At AstraZeneca our aim is to cultivate inclusion and belonging by fostering an environment where everyone feels valued, heard and respected.”

A company carrying out medical research - an area in which sex is both hugely important and frequently overlooked - should not value and respect utter codswallop. Or the people who produce it.

MidsomerMurmurs · 03/03/2024 11:32

ExtraDay · 02/03/2024 21:35

As a matter of interest, here are the guidelines in Nature's (science journal's) advice to authors:
'Authors should use the terms sex (biological attribute) and gender (shaped by social and cultural circumstances) carefully in order to avoid confusing both terms.
Sex – refers to currently understood biological differences between females and males, including chromosomes, sex organs, and endogenous hormonal profiles. Sex is usually categorized as female or male, although there is variation in the biological attributes that constitute sex.
Gender – refers to socially constructed and enacted roles and behaviours which occur in a historical and cultural context and vary across societies and over time. Gender is usually incorrectly conceptualized as a binary (man / woman or feminine/masculine) factor. In reality, there is a spectrum of gender identities and expressions defining how individuals identify themselves and express their gender
Gender identity – an individual’s conception of self as being a man, woman, masculine, feminine, nonbinary, ambivalent, etc., based in part on physical, psychological and social factors. It is the internal experience of a gender role. There is a broad range of gender identities including, but not limited to, transgender, gender-queer, gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, genderless, agender, nongender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and cisgender
Gender presentation – how a person publicly expresses or presents their gender identity. This can include behaviour and outward appearance such as dress, hair, make-up, body language and voice. A person’s chosen name and pronouns are also common ways of expressing gender. Others perceive a person’s gender through these attributes. Another term is “gender expression.”'

I read that and think, thank goodness I'm a physicist; but it seems reasonable, even if they missed off 'not a clue, don't really care' from the gender ID bit.

Reasonable-ish, apart from the Gender Identity part. Surely it should say something along these lines:

Gender identity – some individuals’ conception of self as involving an internal experience of a gender role. This is analogous to some people’s belief that they have an inner soul, based on their religious faith. Such beliefs should be respected but are unlikely to be relevant for most scientific research

SinnerBoy · 03/03/2024 16:50

ExtraDay · Yesterday 22:40

I'm enjoying the accidental poetry, Binturong:

"I've been elbow deep
In my share of sheep.
Not a job for people who
Can't tell ram from ewe."

A ramku?