Volunteer form asks if I am a woman (includes transwoman)

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I decided I'd like to volunteer with the Adult Education team in my city. I have completed the form and got to the 'diversity' section, where I was flummoxed. It asked my 'gender' and my choices were 'prefer not to say', 'woman (includes transwoman)', 'other', 'man (includes transman)', 'non-binary'. I thought about this and it seemed my only choices really were 'prefer not to say' or 'non-binary' i.e. I have no gender, only sex.
Have other MNs come across diversity questions like this? It seems to me highly dangerous, because many adults requiring Adult Education can be vulnerable (i.e. Special Needs, ESOL, refugees etc as well as having dislocated backgrounds). How does it make sense not to ask the SEX of a volunteer? They do not know who they are accepting for these voluntary posts, do they! And further down it asks about sexual orientation. This means a transwoman could list himself as a Lesbian, another safeguarding issue.
Thoughts anyone? I've decided to say 'prefer not to say' though 'non-binary' has the appearance of truth in my case, since (like most people) I have no gender ID.

This is just brilliant. Gave me a much-needed laugh at how well it summarises the situation.

How many naked men in the changing room with your teenage daughter is statistically small enough?

Interested in why gender was more polite than sex. Unless it stems from being unable to say sex without whispering it like Hyacinth Bucket, implying a ord relating to biological fact (sex) is only ever to be used when making reference to rumpy pumpy nudie genital behaviours?

Safeguarding is relevant to employers in terms of working alone especially at night. There's a certain amount of responsibility to consider sex not gender within this.

I would say it is fair to group women and trans women on a form together in this context.

I think it’s an appropriate decision if the business or service is not sex segregated.

It’s an EDI form. How can it not be sex segregated? What use is the data if you can’t tell how many men, women, people of colour, people with gender identities and people with disabilities are present?

What use is that? Chocolate fireguard.

I think it’s an appropriate decision if the business or service is not sex segregated.

That is not the purpose of collecting data such as this.

It is for the employer to assess who well their outreach in terms of recruiting has been, ie being able to see whether a range of people have been inspired by however it was advertised, to apply.

In theory, it should be annonymous and for instance compared to census stats or sometimes local councils have approximate information about their residents.

So if you live in an area with a number of diverse communities but only white people apply it raises issues about how the organisation is seen and / or the advertising.

I always go with 'other' then I write in the box that my sex is female and I don't have a gender as I don't believe in it. Those 'other' boxes usually give you space to make all your opinions known. The diversity forms are usually anonymous.

It’s so frustrating when online forms don’t allow any free text, oh for good old paper!

I usually cross gender out if no other option and write sex F

If you tick the other box on an online form, it gives you a box that you can write your sex and opinions on

The sexual orientation of transwomen may not be a safeguarding issue but their sex is. Gathering data on gender and categorising transwomen as women is no different in terms of safeguarding to stating that everyone, regardless of sex, is put in to one category.

Files away Magic Cunt for a future possible name charge.

@Keeprejoining Thanks.I do try that but I’ve had a couple that only have the prefer not to say. Next time this comes up I’m going to try to tell them another way that none of their options apply to me. It really annoys me this assumption we all have a gender ID. It’s my little mission, along with questioning language if possible.

I had one of these attached to a survey from my (supposedly) professional organisation the other day. Apart from Non-binary the options were: 'Female (including transwomen)' or 'Male (including transmen)' which suggests an element of confusion about the meaning of all of those words over at Be Kind towers. I have no idea what data they thought they were collecting.

I ticked other and wrote my usual spiel about biological sex and not subscribing to gender ideology.

This.

I put a line through everything and write Cat every time I get this on a form. Nobody has ever come back to me about it. Makes me wonder if anyone actually reads the bollocks anyway or if it purely a misguided virtue signalling thing.

You have nothing in common with most women that they don't have in common with other males. The question is whether you are more of a threat than other males.

They're not asking sex though are they? Sex of a transwoman is male. Sex of a woman is female. They're asking about identity and should not assume that everyone has a gender identity because loads of people don't.

Why is gender important? Most people manage fine without one of those.

I get offended when I am asked what my gender is, as I don't have one and I don't have a belief in ideology.
last time I was asked about my gender I was shaking and crying I was so confused and embarrassed and upset that someone assumed that I had a gender.