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Happy Women's History Month!

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

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ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 07:06

I've been busy! But I'll do a bit more this weekend. I suppose actually there's nothing to stop the thread continuing beyond March, anyway. Every month is women's history month on FWR!

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SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 14:35

I'm not sure where to put this Guardian article, although it's historically related, so I decided here. There are a few more paragraphs.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/23/medieval-christian-misogyny-shapes-how-we-judge-women-today-says-scholar

Some called the women who put on makeup and dyed their hair, deceptive and artificial. Others said women who wore jewels and fine clothes could not be trusted, even by their husbands. But they all agreed: if a man ever encountered one of these unchristian women, and wanted to rape her, it was her fault – not his.

According to a talk at the University of Cambridge it was in the third-century that the Christian idea that “real” beauty is within was first used by influential male writers to try to control how women dressed.

“Many of the ideas that govern how we perceive women’s appearance today have their roots in the middle ages,” said Cambridge scholar Alexandra Zhirnova who is giving her talk on 23 March as part of the Cambridge Festival – a showcase of the research under way at the university.

^Zhirnova’s PhD thesis shines a spotlight on the misogynistic attitudes of medieval Christian men towards women’s makeup, clothing and adornments.
“One of the fundamental teachings in Christianity is the need to turn away from materialistic values and focus on spiritual things. But when Christianity becomes integrated into the patriarchal society of late antiquity and the early middle ages, the idea is used as a means of social control over women.”^
While the Romans thought it “much more normal” for upper-class women to wear makeup, lots of jewellery, and “very elaborate” hairstyles, Zhirnova said this behaviour was perceived to be in conflict with Christian ideals.

She thinks many early Christian male writers seemed to fear that women could excite a man’s lust using makeup and artfulness: “Women who have this power over men can control them and disrupt the male order of the world.”

Many “very influential” writers of the early church, such as Saint Jerome, Saint Ambrose and Saint Augustine, wrote letters and made speeches denouncing women who wore makeup and fine clothing as akin to “prostitutes”, while praising “respectable” women who did not. Yet if, as the Bible suggests, God sees beauty in one’s “inner self”, not “outward adornments”, then it should not matter what a Christian woman wears.

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 14:50

Format fail sadface...

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 15:05

Today's women in history is courtesy of the Royal College of GPs, hosting the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender conference today in London:

https://twitter.com/rcgp/status/1771477071480414650

'Pioneering women in medicine

Dr. Ethel Williams: First woman with a medical practice in Newcastle

Elizabeth Latto Ewan: Scottish physician & suffragist, advocate for public health & women's rights

both trailblazers in medicine & social change'

I'll add Elizabeth Blackwell, who had an astonishing biography:

'Elizabeth Blackwell was admitted to St Bartholomew’s Hospital in London but was banned from studying female disease there by the Professor of Midwifery.

After this period of further practice and study, Elizabeth returned to New York and her career took the direction she would follow for the rest of her life – the promotion of hygiene and preventative medicine and encouragement of women to enter the profession. She set up in private practice, opening a dispensary for poor women and children. This became the New York Infirmary for Women, run by women for women. By then Emily Blackwell, her younger sister had qualified and joined her with some of the growing band of women doctors. Despite a busy working life Elizabeth continued to “spread the word” to women studying medicine and published a collection of her lectures as:

The Laws of Life with Special Reference to the Physical Education of Girls

A return to London in 1858 followed after a clause in the Medical Act was amended so that doctors with foreign degrees could practise medicine. Elizabeth had her name entered on the Medical Register – she was the first female ever to be recognised as a qualified doctor in Britain.'

Well worth reading the whole thing!

https://www.historickilmun.org/history/elizabeth-blackwell/

https://twitter.com/rcgp/status/1771477071480414650

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SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 15:09

I read about Ethel Williams in the Evening Chronicle, a few years ago.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 15:21

Ethel Williams is another woman I did a mini-biography of for our church magazine.

I like to sneak a bit of feminism in alongside the coffee morning notices and the vicar whinging about - well, about everything.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 15:22

Oh - and thank you everyone for several decades worth of material for future issues. These are brilliant!

👌

quantumbutterfly · 23/03/2024 15:48

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/03/2024 15:02

That is actually bliddy terrifying @turbonerd ! 😧

It'll be standing room only before long.

It's the biggest issue (no pun intended) today and the cause of most of the more publicised ones...climate change, global migration, competition for resources, habitat/ecosystem destruction.

If we don't choose to tackle it ourselves now, factors beyond our control will tackle it for us.

I have read that one of the biggest factors to lower birth rates is availability of education for women.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 20:00

quantumbutterfly · 23/03/2024 16:02

oh and another film to add to your list..

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4669788/

RBG was an incredible woman - I have her biography. She would have stopped this gender site in it's tracks.

Edie to say thank you for the film recommendation

IcakethereforeIam · 24/03/2024 12:47

These women aren't good girls but we're sticking it to patriarchy although I doubt they'd have realised they were doing that

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/03/23/philippa-gregory-normal-people-renegade-nell-disney/

https://archive.ph/DG9Kd kick your heels while dancing over the paywall

I thought Gregory didn't know what a woman was, although I'd be happy if that was some other Philippa. There's so much scope for transing these women 😃

What ‘Fat Beth’ did to the naked solicitor – and other true crimes of Britain’s highwaywomen

Philippa Gregory on the horrible history of the real-life Renegade Nells, from the first chloroform poisoner to the notorious Moll Cutpurse

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/03/23/philippa-gregory-normal-people-renegade-nell-disney

SinnerBoy · 24/03/2024 12:55

I liked the tiny Charlotte Walker, who said, on being accused pinioning a man's arms and robbing him:

He said… I held him together by both his arms, and so robbed his Worship: I said I must have three hands to rob him when I had hold of both his arms

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quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 22:17

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 22:16

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/caroline-herschel-first-paid-female-astronomer

Caroline Herschel, fist woman in Britain to earn a living from science, discovered eight comets, lived to age 97!

What relation to William Herschel?

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 22:18

His sister! Started assisting him.

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quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 22:20

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 22:18

His sister! Started assisting him.

Thank you, just googled. Used to live by herschel park in Slough.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 22:20

"Caroline wrote the inscription for her tombstone herself. It reads, "The eyes of her who is glorified here below turned to the starry heavens."'

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ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 22:20

She outlived William and worked with his son.

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quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 22:22

We were usually socialised to be support humans as women, nice to see her getting recognition for her work.

SinnerBoy · 25/03/2024 10:03

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 22:20

Thank you, just googled. Used to live by herschel park in Slough.

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
It's not fit for humans, now...

quantumbutterfly · 25/03/2024 10:13

Herschel park is surprisingly lovely.
Slough has a few parks but some are a little unsafe for lone women.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/03/2024 12:37

There's a nice little museum in Bath too, in the house Caroline and William shared for many years.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2024 12:40

I've been reading a lot about the police in the past week.

Here's a short history of women in policing:

https://www.bawp.org/women-in-policing-history/

And a little on Edith Smith, pioneering policewoman.

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/story-uks-first-policewoman-edith-6287983

Edith Smith was the first woman given the power of arrest. Originally a nurse and midwife, in the outbreak of the first world war she became a voluntary police officer

'...a colleague Dorothy Peto described Edith Smith as “a woman of outstanding personality, fearless, motherly and adaptable”.

"They moved drunks on, visited the families of girls that they believed to be in “moral danger” and, controversially, enforced a curfew imposed on the women of Grantham by the Army."
The Oxton Society's history says that following this early period of work, "in November 1915 a meeting was held in Grantham to discuss the progress of the policewomen.
"The Bishop of Grantham was in the chair. The Chief Constable said he was most satisfied with the women's performance and that he now wanted their work to continue in an official capacity."'

After years working as a police officer, Edith went back to nursing. She took an overdose of morphine and died in 1923.

Women in Policing History | BAWP - British Association for Women in Policing

https://www.bawp.org/women-in-policing-history

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CrossPurposes · 28/03/2024 13:49

The Pankhursts were not all of the same political viewpoint - Sylvia was a socialist and a pacifist who did much work in the east end of London. She also found time to have a relationship with Keir Hardy, an illegitimate child, and become friends with Haile Selassie: spartacus-educational.com/WpankhurstS.htm