Advice of one transwoman changed rules in single sex social organisation

[Ladiescircler]

I'm a member of Ladies Circle (yes the name is a bit stupid but that's not the point) Most of you won't have heard of it, there is a female equivalent to Roundtable. A organisation for Women and round table is for Men.

The basic principle is socialising with woman in you local area and if you want doing some things for charity like Fireworks or Santa Floats.

I joined when I didn't know anyone in the local area and it's been brilliant I've made loads of friends and done things I wouldn't normally plus had fun helping at fireworks.

It's great to socialise with just women and the dynamics would be totally different if it was mixed sex.

A while back there was some talk of allowing all women however they identify in, recently the national council released a Belief statement when it became clear they are allowing self ID.

Here's the statement:
GENDER
Ladies Circle GB&I is open to everyone ages 18-45 who identifies as being, or lives as
female. This includes people who are cisgender, transgender, and those assigned female at
birth who are nonbinary.
…POLITICS
Ladies Circle GB&I is a non-political association.
That said, we do occasionally get involved in campaigning on issues that affect women. In
the past this included prevention of cervical cancer, reduction in VAT on sanitary industry
and the Women’s National Commission.

Each local Circle where asked to discuss the belief statement and feedback our group feedback gave mixed feedback some for some against.

What is interesting is that they have since clarified where the advice came from and it's a roundtable male that transitioned and set up an EDI company so on the advice of one person they are altering a single sex organisation to mixed sex.

They may as well change the name to People Circle 🫣

Anyway it's really pissed me off today so I thought I'd share.

Title and OP edited by MNHQ to remove terms that broke our Talk Guidelines

Not sure about Tangent they have nothing on their website https://www.tangent-clubs.org/about/tangent/

Good for you @Ladiescircler for fighting this fight for all women.

I do think the thread title should say 'Advice of one man changed rules in women's social organisation' though because once you see it like that, it's a lot clearer that it's the old misogyny, just the same.

Words matter and what's next - some dude thinks only women with penises can vote and pushes for that? It's the thin end of the wedge.

Women can think what we want. LOTS of us want single sex spaces and organisations and it's not for men to tell us that doesn't matter and we can't say no. Particularly when it's basically a tiny minority of men who are ignoring our boundaries (abusive behaviour) and have gaslit organisations and some women to go along with it.

This decision should be something that is debated and voted on, not decided by one man who then convinces a few people at the top.

This decision will exclude so many women. But they rely on women being too busy (as @Ladiescircler is really) to fight the fight. The women with penises are rarely overburdened with unpaid caring work like fighting for SEND provision - you only have to read the transwidows threads to see that. Their blithe willingness to prioritise themselves only, at the expense of others, is part of why they are - incomprehensibly and against all common sense - seemingly so good at pushing exclusionary and undemocratic shit like this through.

Certain people have done a very good job of convincing idiots that all "LGBT+" people are a monolith. Once you've done that then only one trans person's viewpoint is ever needed!

Bit funny for a group that supposedly prizes "diversity".

it affects my LGBT and gender non-conforming friends and colleagues

As a gender non-conforming person a major source of difficulty in my life has been twats thinking I should really be the opposite sex.

You see, if you say “this affects my LGBT friends” you can have a sly little dig about homophobia in there as well, even though it’s got bollocks all to do with anything.

And if you say “this affects my gender non conforming friends” you can suggest people are so easily confused as to what sex someone is if they do or don’t wear trousers.

Its now a weasel word isn't it?

And fuck all to do with being concerned about homophobia.

He is "an Inclusion and Belonging specialist"

WTF? It's like all the words I once learnt now mean the opposite of what they once meant.

Manclusion and ballonging, amirite?

Phew we are back so our chair is livid that this change has happened without consultation, she ages out this year so not sure how much she can do.
She also doesn't want to make woman not GC uncomfortable in the group as we all get on well.

When I say we are back the thread was accidentally deleted but thanks to @Mumsnet for sorting it 👍

Doesn’t a 20 yr old woman have more things in common with an over 45 year old woman compared to a TW? I really don’t get the turfing out at 45!

Well yes!

Quit and start a new women's group of your own.
There's. petticoat club here. Or there's the Red Hat Society. That looks like fun.