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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
DerekFaker · 28/02/2024 08:34

"Critics say the group — which is made up of trans campaigners and advocates — is biased.

One trans activist member has already left the panel amid controversy, while another has been exposed for sharing X-rated Grindr hookup posts."

Is it really that difficult to find some normal trans people to do the job??? I'm astonished.

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PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 08:41

This is where faulty DEI gets us.

If you preferentially employ men who show potential indicators of perverted sexuality (which are likely publically available on these men’s social media) it’s unsurprising when the result is a rash of pervy men in positions of power.

While I think it’s important to put aside bias over sex or race and choice of partner, obvious signs of abnormal sexuality should not be ignored. There’s good reason why many people view inappropriately dressed men with suspicion and it’s not bigotry.

borntobequiet · 28/02/2024 08:42

These revelations should not necessarily exclude Cook from work at the UN.

I do like the writing in this piece, dry and just a hint of tongue in cheek. (Though I do object to straight instead of strait laced.)

Fenlandia · 28/02/2024 08:44

PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 08:41

This is where faulty DEI gets us.

If you preferentially employ men who show potential indicators of perverted sexuality (which are likely publically available on these men’s social media) it’s unsurprising when the result is a rash of pervy men in positions of power.

While I think it’s important to put aside bias over sex or race and choice of partner, obvious signs of abnormal sexuality should not be ignored. There’s good reason why many people view inappropriately dressed men with suspicion and it’s not bigotry.

This person is ftm, that's why they're quoted in the article as offering their 'bonus hole' to men.

Fenlandia · 28/02/2024 08:45

Nice understated work by the picture caption writer here!

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2024 08:50

Sigh. It never stops does it?

Helleofabore · 28/02/2024 09:22

Someone with sexual boundaries this low, do they have any boundaries at all???, should not be in any position influencing policy or law. This should not be controversial to say.

HagoftheNorth · 28/02/2024 09:28

Shocked - actually not that shocked!

pronounsbundlebundle · 28/02/2024 09:47

Helleofabore · 28/02/2024 09:22

Someone with sexual boundaries this low, do they have any boundaries at all???, should not be in any position influencing policy or law. This should not be controversial to say.

THIS

It's like putting a raging alcoholic in charge of health information and policy decisions about alcohol.

What the hell is wrong with the UN these days - what bars you from a job? Do you have to commit a crime and be convicted before they'll sack you even if blatantly unsuitable for your job?

I'm finding myself increasingly thinking Trump might be on to something about the UN no longer being fit for purpose and that the US should stop funding it. What with this and the decision to put Iran as chair of the human rights council not long after the Iranian police killed a woman for not wearing a headscarf.

The UN is not a force for good as far as I can see, certainly not for women and girls.

Ofcourseshecan · 28/02/2024 09:58

While I think it’s important to put aside bias over sex or race and choice of partner, obvious signs of abnormal sexuality should not be ignored.

Exactly, and for very obvious reasons such as safeguarding. But organisations have been brainwashed into believing, or pretending to believe, that sex fetishism is harmless and normal.

catduckgoose · 28/02/2024 10:05

Another post appears to show a large, black dog penetrating a man from behind.

Let's hope her next job isn't at UNCAHP.

Ofcourseshecan · 28/02/2024 10:09

Sigh. Once again the Daily Mail publishes a clear, fair and well-informed news story on an important issue that is hushed up by the sources I used to trust.

For anyone who says people’s sex lives are purely their own business — No, not when an undeclared special-interest group takes power in policy-making organisations.

And sex abuse of animals is not harmless.

Datun · 28/02/2024 10:13

Is there anyone, anyone at all, involved in transactivism who doesn't make it all about sex?

Including, in this case, abusing animals.

Why does, as a pp says, a complete lack of boundaries and an overt interest in talking about your sexual proclivities look like perfect job qualifications for the UN?

catduckgoose · 28/02/2024 10:15

Jamie Reed, the gender clinic whistle-blower, has written about this panel and its bias, with the potential conflicts of interest, both intellectual and financial, of some of its members:

https://lgbtcouragecoalition.substack.com/p/transgender-health-who-under-fire

https://lgbtcouragecoalition.substack.com/p/round-2

I think this is the real issue, not whether a newly appointed panellist has a kinky sex life.

Transgender health: WHO under fire from international critics

Press Release: For Immediate Release

https://lgbtcouragecoalition.substack.com/p/transgender-health-who-under-fire

PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 10:19

Fenlandia · 28/02/2024 08:44

This person is ftm, that's why they're quoted in the article as offering their 'bonus hole' to men.

Thanks for the info.

My point about perverted sexuality also applies to women, it’s just less common. I guess it’s more the exhibitionism that tends to go along with abnormal sexuality in these cases that is the real red flag.

Bring your whole self to work seems to have become an excuse for poor boundaries about what should be private and what is acceptable.

PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 10:30

Ofcourseshecan · 28/02/2024 09:58

While I think it’s important to put aside bias over sex or race and choice of partner, obvious signs of abnormal sexuality should not be ignored.

Exactly, and for very obvious reasons such as safeguarding. But organisations have been brainwashed into believing, or pretending to believe, that sex fetishism is harmless and normal.

I think it’s worse than a belief (or pretended belief) that it’s normal. There are organizations that would actually prioritize such people because of faulty DEI policies.

The group “kinky exhibitionists” might well have some correlation with the group “people who find it hard to get jobs” but that isn’t a group that should be prioritized by DEI policies, in my opinion, especially not in jobs where there is likely to be any influence over policies and children.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2024 10:33

So many charmers representing this ideology. 🙄

Datun · 28/02/2024 10:36

The group “kinky exhibitionists” might well have some correlation with the group “people who find it hard to get jobs” but that isn’t a group that should be prioritized by DEI policies

Quite

Solrock · 28/02/2024 10:37

This is where faulty DEI gets us.

I'm not sure the word "faulty" is entirely appropriate here. For many advocates of DEI this seems to be the end point which they are aiming for.

PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 11:00

Solrock · 28/02/2024 10:37

This is where faulty DEI gets us.

I'm not sure the word "faulty" is entirely appropriate here. For many advocates of DEI this seems to be the end point which they are aiming for.

Well yes, but I feel like DEI should actually be a good principle. I had DEI training yesterday as a part of my induction into a civil service agency. It was actually the most enjoyable section of the day and the major take-home message was that we had to talk to each other to find out what things we had in common and what differences we had.

I think there’s a risk that something good will be lost if it’s thrown out altogether. But you are probably right that faulty was not exactly the right word. Bastardised is probably a better word because, as you say, this is deliberate action by certain groups, not an accident.

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2024 11:05

I wish I was genuinely shocked that a story has come to light about an individual in a position of this type.

But I think I've reached the point where so much of this shit is coming out that I read this and there is not a flicker of surprise in my head.

It's horrifying that this is becoming the norm of how some people live their life and that it's seen as perfectly acceptable to a great many people that this is OK because they are in that small minority of very vulnerable and oppressed people so we should just shut up and applaud their bravery.

It's not OK.

I never wanted to know this much about the sexual proclivities of random individuals.

BitingtheSkirting · 28/02/2024 11:11

That doesn't look like a healthy fat distribution for any youngish (wo)man, let alone one who is advising on health.

crunchermuncher · 28/02/2024 11:22

I wish I could say I'm surprised.

I'm sure someone will be along soon to question why peoples private lives are relevant to their jobs. Cos safeguarding. And because of bias - public policy should be evidence based, not ideology based.

Also, this quote has melted my brain:
"Cook also co-founded a safe sex campaign group called Grunt, which promotes 'hot, informed sex between trans guys and cis guys."

So... who is having sex with whom? How would you know whether this group is for you or not?

Fenlandia · 28/02/2024 11:48

PriOn1 · 28/02/2024 10:19

Thanks for the info.

My point about perverted sexuality also applies to women, it’s just less common. I guess it’s more the exhibitionism that tends to go along with abnormal sexuality in these cases that is the real red flag.

Bring your whole self to work seems to have become an excuse for poor boundaries about what should be private and what is acceptable.

Hard agree on both of your points!

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2024 13:13

Solrock · 28/02/2024 10:37

This is where faulty DEI gets us.

I'm not sure the word "faulty" is entirely appropriate here. For many advocates of DEI this seems to be the end point which they are aiming for.

Agreed. From what I've seen of DEI this looks to be par for the course.
People start off with great intentions. Lets be equally nice to everyone.
It gets an acronym like DEI, the academics and activists move in, and it all goes to shit. What pops out of the other end bears no resemblance to the original intent, and if you disagree you're a white supremacist bigot, just like JKR.

Moral righteousness seems to be an acceptable subsititue for any and all of the following; comon sense, logic, debate, measuring results, reflecting on the results, self reflection, plurality of thought, a knowledge of history, child safeguarding, adapting views, respect for opposing views. Why bother with a long list of complex stuff when a large dollop of moral righteousness and a smug feeling of superioirty will cover all that and more?

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