Scarlett Transgender Killer - Fuck me the wanker on Jeremy Vine

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Just listening now - who the hell is this guy!?!

Why aren't the 'community' falling over themselves to distance themselves?

Something I wonder over, and over, and over again.

There seems to be no crime they'll disown and say 'this is totally unacceptable'. (Unless of course it's a service human, where basically breathing and having a pulse is unacceptable.)

Fae nearly got there with the cat, we know how Far feels about cats.
So not concerned about Jorge though, just a prop in someone's sick fantasy. Ironically Jorge is a man being treated like a woman.

t's possible he was referring to JF I suppose?

He did sound awfully chummy with Fae.

One would assume that, owing to the disproportionate sway and influence Trans Media Watch have had across the mainstream media (to the point that gaslighting the public is now the gold standard when it comes to men who want people to think they are women and vice versa), that Fae would be chummy with quite a few people in the mainstream media.

Maybe they bond over their shared fondness for extreme porn? Or that they can congratulate themselves as men, about what fantastic ‘feminists against censorship’ they are, censoring and silencing women from speaking the truth about men who fight to gratify themselves whichever sick way they choose and indulge their perversions publicly?

RE not distancing themselves.

There was a post on this forum recently about TRAs posting about 'rapists hill.' I think that some in the 'community' know that if the rapists and indeed the murderers are not true trans, it does rather undermine the idea that any of them are.

Yes, precisely.

This is one point on which I'm in agreement with trans activists, actually.

Scarlet Blake is absolutely a transwoman.

Committing a crime doesn't negate someone's trans status, legally or morally.

The only reason anyone would seek to suggest Scarlet Blake (or Isla Bryson, or Andrew Miller) are not trans is if they have accepted the idea that trans people are 'the most marginalised' and therefore cannot be a threat, or a risk, or commit a crime.

Scarlet is trans. Scarlet may well be vulnerable and marginalised. Scarlet is also a sadistic murderer. None of these things are mutually exclusive.

The only reason I can think of is that once you admit that someone's trans identity might not be genuine, then you concede that self-ID can be abused, and that anyone who claims to be trans might be faking it. Once you do that, the argument for allowing trans-identifying males into female spaces falls apart.

It's a bit of a sticky situation for trans activists.

Either they accept that trans status is not contingent on moral behaviour, in which case the narrative that transwomen 'present no threat' cannot be true as trans people are obviously just as moral or immoral as everyone else

-or they accept that trans status can be faked or untrue, and people could lie to take advantage of the rights afforded by being trans, in which case 'present no threat' cannot be true.

The dilemma exposes the problem, really. Transwomen, as males, are just as much of a threat/risk to women as all other men.

Wasnt there at least one prominent male extreme trans activist who did say Bryson was not ‘trans’? And didn’t we have male posters on FWR who said they were trans who denied Bryson’s true trans status?

Why aren't the 'community' falling over themselves to distance themselves?

Because they believe womanhood is an innate gender feeling that can't be taken away by someone else, and to abandon this principle would be to make their own womanhood conditional on societal approval.

I think they also know deep down that society is simply humouring their self-professed identities. Which is why they get so angry when the humouring stops, when criminals get "misgendered" or sent to the correct prison estate for their sex. I'm not convinced they're standing up for the criminals, so much as they see the implications for what they believe about themselves.

Yes, it seems to be a feature. As soon as anyone else might be doing something worthy of consideration, they need to swing the spotlight back to them. Narcissists.

Also, incredibly unwomanly given the extent to which most mothers prioritise their children during exams.

I always think - many times over - that if it weren't immediately obvious physically by gait, their voice, their jaw, hands etc then it would be bloody obvious from the selfish entitlement that they are male.

I don't think any believed that Bryson was really trans. Not even the Scottish Government.

Nicola Sturgeon said Bryson was rapist gender and Humza Yousaf said he thought Bryson wasn't really trans.

I had Vine pegged as a misogynist a while ago.

Any journalist worth their salt would be probing the whole pledging to tell the truth then telling a lie about sex using non-standard English in court. Courts are telling people to promise they won't lie then directing them to lie about something as fundamental - particularly when it comes to violent crime - as sex. That should be worthy of journalistic comment and yet... tumbleweed.

Guess we know what side Vine would have been on when other Orwellian things like this happened in history. The coward.

Everyone being forced to pretend to go along with vulnerable people's delusions about their identity. What could possibly go wrong?

Ironically Jorge is a man being treated like a woman.

Agree.

Also on the transition announcement around exams for teenage daughters, the main flashpoints seem to be exams for daughters, puberty for daughters or around birth of the children.

Anything that takes the spotlight away from them in other words!

I had Vine pegged as a misogynist a while ago.

He's not just a misogynist quietly, he actively goads women and then doesn't respond to their comments.

Yes. The guy is a champagne socialist misogynistic twat.

The model kier starmer voter.

He’s never bothered about anything. Extreme right wingers get a regular seat on that prog. Left not so much - but often on weird fringes when they are. And Storm Huntley looks like she’s sneering at everyone. Praps that’s to balance things

If Jeremy Vine is a socialist I’m a Dutchman

One could argue, that they are more of a threat. Given they can go into traditionally (👀) female spaces willy nilly. Whereas biological men presenting themselves as the male they are, generally don’t.

Well if you are a Dutch man, no not really.

If you are not a Dutch man - quite.

I think Fae's 'sad voice' and concern for the cat was all part of the 'just a little old lady, me' act. The radio equivalent of ostentatiously getting their knitting out while appearing on that talk panel.

I still have a little chortle every time I remember a poster suggesting that, next time Fae is in a face-off with a feminist, the feminist should counter the knitting with performative spot-welding throughout proceedings....