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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
RoyalCorgi · 27/02/2024 11:18

As far as I can see, every single newspaper is referring to Blake as "she". The Telegraph has the decency to use the word "trans woman" in its opening paragraph, but that's as far as it goes. So the Guardian might be the worst culprit, but it's not the only one.

Coffeestain · 27/02/2024 12:28

I read the Guardian article, thought “horrific. And such a male crime” and came straight to mn to see if it was actually a male.
but people who are not on mn, how would they even have the knowledge to want to check this out? Even Louise Tickle didn’t think to immediately check on mn.

HawthornLantern · 27/02/2024 13:28

The Telegraph article, which seems to have been most recently updated at 9.38pm last night (26th Feb). starts off with "A transgender cat killer who murdered a stranger will be sent to a men’s prison as a judge said the attacker used a transitioning story to “shift responsibility to others”."

It might not have been drafted that way before. Sentencing seems to have taken place at 2.52pm according to the Telegraph timeline. The Guardian reports the sentencing duration but not that Black will be sent to a mens' prison.

LentilFaculties · 27/02/2024 13:45

Silver lining is that this kind of biased, deceptive reporting does tend to outrage people when they realise. The novelty factor of a woman committing such male crimes tends to make people read as much about the case as possible, from multiple sources. Therefore upping the chance of them discovering the truth.

Several years ago the Guardian and BBC'S terrible reporting on Lauren Jeska and a different transwoman (sob story about not being allowed straighteners in prison, conveniently omitting sex offences against teenage victim) were what woke me up about this. And I was someone who knew quite a lot about transexualism and would have called myself an ally.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 27/02/2024 14:49

I see that the guardian does now have a statement about the changes that were made to one of its articles, and that they are blaming the inaccuracy of their article on the fact that "further details and biographical information" ( ie the fact that the killer is not in fact female) were "not included in the agency copy on which our initial version relied".
Call me old fashioned but getting a basic fact like that wrong because a story was already written for you is a bit of a mickey mouse error for a national newspaper.
I imagine it is also a false explanation of the update - ie that it is simply not true that the agency copy is the reason why they misrepresented the killer's sex .

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

Cat killer guilty of murdering stranger as he walked home in Oxford

Scarlet Blake, 26, brutally attacked Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, and left him to drown in July 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

RoyalCorgi · 27/02/2024 14:56

Call me old fashioned but getting a basic fact like that wrong because a story was already written for you is a bit of a mickey mouse error for a national newspaper.

I don't particularly want to defend the Guardian. However, when you are using agency copy for a court case, you have to be incredibly careful. Most newspapers will not change details in the copy because you need to be accurate.

To me, the bigger problem is the court referring to this vile man as a woman in the first place.

Lifeinlists · 27/02/2024 14:57

UtterlyOtterly · 27/02/2024 10:18

I have just been talking with an elderly friend about this. He had no idea the offender is male and gets confused about "which way round" a transwoman is. There will be many more people duped by the media.

What struck me as odd right from the start of the trial is I am local and know the roads, paths and riverbank. I could not imagine a woman taking an unknown man there in the middle of the night. That is not something a woman would do.

This is a male crime.

I think that's a really good point about people being confused as to 'which way round' a transwoman is. People hear the word 'woman' more than 'trans' and possibly think it's a woman having an identity crisis.

The media reporting on this case is just depressing. Who are they afraid of offending?

WarriorN · 27/02/2024 14:58

Yes to both of the above points. Both occurred to me from the start.

Gatorpickle · 27/02/2024 14:58

Lifeinlists · 27/02/2024 14:57

I think that's a really good point about people being confused as to 'which way round' a transwoman is. People hear the word 'woman' more than 'trans' and possibly think it's a woman having an identity crisis.

The media reporting on this case is just depressing. Who are they afraid of offending?

The Traliban.

Lifeinlists · 27/02/2024 15:01

@Gatorpickle I haven't heard that one before but it's very apt.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/02/2024 15:04

I don’t know if anyone has already asked, but does anyone on here know if the murder and cat torture and killing have been recorded in official crime statistics as a male, or as a female, crime?

WarriorN · 27/02/2024 16:02

I'm hoping as SB is off to a male prison, male....

WarriorN · 27/02/2024 16:03

It's also occurred to me that journalists could report which prison more freely to emphasise the male aspect.

WarriorN · 27/02/2024 16:03

Or that it's a male prison

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 18:52

WarriorN · 27/02/2024 16:03

It's also occurred to me that journalists could report which prison more freely to emphasise the male aspect.

That won't work in Scotland, though.

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Crankywiddershins · 27/02/2024 19:10

LentilFaculties · 27/02/2024 13:45

Silver lining is that this kind of biased, deceptive reporting does tend to outrage people when they realise. The novelty factor of a woman committing such male crimes tends to make people read as much about the case as possible, from multiple sources. Therefore upping the chance of them discovering the truth.

Several years ago the Guardian and BBC'S terrible reporting on Lauren Jeska and a different transwoman (sob story about not being allowed straighteners in prison, conveniently omitting sex offences against teenage victim) were what woke me up about this. And I was someone who knew quite a lot about transexualism and would have called myself an ally.

I was thinking the same. I suspect that a lot of people have "educated themselves" about exactly who is meant by the terms "Trans man" and "trans woman" in the last 24 hours.
It's the Isla Bryson effect.

popebishop · 28/02/2024 17:24

What a weird article - seems to use "women" and "female" interchangeably?
U ok Graun?

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 17:30

The lying gaslighting bastards.

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lyingonthebeach · 28/02/2024 17:37

The Guardian is not our friend.

maltravers · 28/02/2024 17:56

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 17:30

The lying gaslighting bastards.

That sums it up I would say.

pickledandpuzzled · 28/02/2024 17:56

All of us saw that woman kills cat etc headline and thought it was worth checking out what kind of woman it was. Does the Guardian have no sense of curiosity? I think they actively chose not to know.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2024 18:02

I feel about the Guardian's excuse as I do about the t-shirt that was printed with 'rape' by mistake (oops, they meant to put 'rap'). Yeah. Chinny reckon.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/02/2024 18:08

popebishop · 28/02/2024 17:24

What a weird article - seems to use "women" and "female" interchangeably?
U ok Graun?

Well, they should be interchangeable in any study of adult humans but who knows what this means.
It could legitimately be that there are more women who are 'psychopaths' in its proper meaning - bearing in mind it doesn't equate to 'violent sicko', quite a lot of CEOs , surgeons etc are now reckoned to have psychopathic traits.

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