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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
BackCats · 23/02/2024 10:47

ScrollingLeaves · 23/02/2024 10:15

Thank you for posting that.
It says in the article there that the judge thinks the process of changing your name by Deed Poll at present is too public and risks ‘outing’ trans people.

In my opinion, if people who want to live as though they are the opposite sex hope to be taken as making up a natural part of society, third and fourth genders perhaps, then secrecy and outright pretence ( especially GRAs) have to stop.

Yes. I don’t think people should be able to obtain the right to conceal their sex - it infringes upon the rights of others to recognise and calculate their boundaries according to a person’s sex.

Goblinmodeactivated · 23/02/2024 10:47

spannasaurus · 22/02/2024 17:03

Anya Palmer has posted this on x and says she would be very surprised if this were not the real reason for the resignation
"This post clearly breaches two parts of the guidance (1) not to identify your judicial post on any social media account to which the general public has access, and (2) not to use such an account to engage in debate on matters of political controversy."

Agree, i think there’s definitely something bigger driving the resignation. The reason offered is a non reason.

happydappy2 · 23/02/2024 11:05

The problem is-males cannot transition into females-it's impossible. DH talks of when they transitioned but in terms of womens boundaries the truth is no male has ever become a woman. This shouldn't be a political statement it's a fact....and women shouldn't be penalised for recognising this.....

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NCForQuestions · 23/02/2024 11:17

PermanentTemporary · 22/02/2024 16:44

I think this is the judge of the McCloud judgment which has potentially given a lot of NHS workers a better pension. So I'm grateful for that.

McCloud was an appellant, not the judge making the decision.

Zodfa · 23/02/2024 11:21

You let a person get away with one crazy thing and then they don't know how to stop.

IcakethereforeIam · 23/02/2024 11:24

NCForQuestions · 23/02/2024 11:17

McCloud was an appellant, not the judge making the decision.

So, good work but self serving. Not at all like anything else the judge has done🤔

ResisterRex · 23/02/2024 15:58

Signalbox · 23/02/2024 15:04

Certainly puts a different slant on the story printed by The Times where they didn't even seem to want to see the whole of the letter.

Can't believe there's not more outrage about the self-comparison to Rosa Parks!

duc748 · 23/02/2024 16:15

Well, it's a bit of light relief! But not surprising really, considering the humourless "Me, me, me" world-view being presented.

Froodwithatowel · 23/02/2024 16:32

Fenlandia · 22/02/2024 21:32

Interesting background Penguin - similar to the Izzard journey from subversive, funny cross-dressing bloke to self-indulgent bore?

Sex addiction is a sad thing in how it destroys men.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/02/2024 16:57

ResisterRex · 23/02/2024 15:58

Certainly puts a different slant on the story printed by The Times where they didn't even seem to want to see the whole of the letter.

Can't believe there's not more outrage about the self-comparison to Rosa Parks!

The judge wrote, (in a that Twitter thread)
“The confusion arises because the Gender Critics usually append the word 'ideology' to what they disagree with so as to present a
biological characteristic (gender identity) as being a contested 'belief”.

So am I right in thinking that the judge thinks ‘gender identity’ is a physiological part of the [biological] brain?

But somehow GC’s sense that ‘sex’ is real is just a belief?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/02/2024 16:59

Sorry it was this thread posted by Signalbox:

Thread by @MForstater on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader Appthreadreaderapp.com/thread/1760955392266305976.html

Lawgal448 · 24/02/2024 11:39

I’m a lawyer who has appeared before Master McCloud on several occasions. I agree with @BeBraveLittlePenguin that she’s a very good judge so from that perspective I think it’s a shame. As far as I’m aware she was someone who transitioned in the 90s long before trans became such a toxic political issue and I barely remember her trans status ever being mentioned in the early part of her judicial career, it wasn’t widely publicised and just wasn’t relevant to her work. Something seems to have changed in the last few years.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 11:44

Lawgal448 · 24/02/2024 11:39

I’m a lawyer who has appeared before Master McCloud on several occasions. I agree with @BeBraveLittlePenguin that she’s a very good judge so from that perspective I think it’s a shame. As far as I’m aware she was someone who transitioned in the 90s long before trans became such a toxic political issue and I barely remember her trans status ever being mentioned in the early part of her judicial career, it wasn’t widely publicised and just wasn’t relevant to her work. Something seems to have changed in the last few years.

Maybe now they are bringing their whole self to work? I mean, that is what the support groups want isn’t it? Bring your whole self so that there are more activists in the workplace to enact change?

Or maybe, there were also complaints from women that McCloud was indeed using the female single sex spaces at work. Whether they transitioned now or decades ago, it shouldn’t matter.

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/02/2024 11:48

Maya is an absolute legend.

Lawgal448 · 24/02/2024 11:53

Helleofabore · 24/02/2024 11:44

Maybe now they are bringing their whole self to work? I mean, that is what the support groups want isn’t it? Bring your whole self so that there are more activists in the workplace to enact change?

Or maybe, there were also complaints from women that McCloud was indeed using the female single sex spaces at work. Whether they transitioned now or decades ago, it shouldn’t matter.

Oh yes, I agree. I’m definitely someone who falls at the GC end of the spectrum and believes that women’s spaces need to be protected. That’s why I think it’s a shame - that someone who is/was a very good judge will be lost to the profession because they have felt the need to be more of an activist, which is totally incompatible with being a judge.

OldCrone · 24/02/2024 15:58

Lawgal448 · 24/02/2024 11:53

Oh yes, I agree. I’m definitely someone who falls at the GC end of the spectrum and believes that women’s spaces need to be protected. That’s why I think it’s a shame - that someone who is/was a very good judge will be lost to the profession because they have felt the need to be more of an activist, which is totally incompatible with being a judge.

Mc Cloud didn't have to be an activist. McCloud could have just got on with their job, same as before. McCloud chose to be an activist.

Imnobody4 · 24/02/2024 19:36

'This is Victoria McCloud, who has just resigned as a High Court Judge McCloud argues that as he has a GRC, he is legally female & has a right to women’s sex based rights
This is why the GRC needs to go,no man should be in spaces women are undressing because he has a bit of paper.'

https://twitter.com/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1760999353613689207?t=pkKW4af1MjUlv_j0EgVndA&s=19

https://twitter.com/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1760999353613689207?s=19&t=pkKW4af1MjUlv_j0EgVndA

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