UKs only trans judge has resigned-Victoria McCloud said she had become a target

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uks-only-trans-judge-quits-over-risk-of-politicising-the-judiciary-lpsqjtghv

This person was extremely involved in writing the Equal Treatment Bench Book

Times really should have said they did politicise the judiciary.

Yes.

The judge should be able to dress as he likes and so on while still being a man.

There should be no inherently illegal, lying law.

I don't think that they believe any of that, they just push it because they are trans and want to have their own way. They must surely know and understand the law, perhaps this deliberate mis-framing of it has helped the Powers That Be to give them the heave-ho?

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Whatsnewpussyhat · Today 17:19
The judge thinks 'gender identity' is a biological characteristic and not a belief? Also seems not to understand that women have the protected characteristic of sex so why should those with a belief in gender identity manifest their beliefs to the detriment of women. )

The first highly rated comment on the hastily closed comments in the Times was very clear about the issue of inappropriate personal influence:
"Victoria has already been politicising the judiciary, having been on the committee that updated the Equal Treatment Bench Book. This is the document which leads courts to refer to people by their pronoun of choice, and is why rape victims are being asked to refer to their rapists in court as she. It leads to newspapers, when they report such cases, also using preferred pronouns, rendering many newspaper articles indecipherable. Victoria should never have tried to be both a trans rights activist and a judge, and this decision is welcome".

I believe Judge Tan Ikram may also be under investigation for political bias on the bench.

Ikram was the Judge in the Alan 'Sarah Jane' Baker case, when the latter basically got away with telling people to punch terfs in the fucking face. On the other hand, Ikram has jailed police officers for 'offensive' comments made in private WhatsApp groups. He's clearly not possessed of much of a sense of judgement.

the comments under The Times article are very good!

I wondered what the ex-judge had been caught doing to trigger a resignation. But perhaps social media rants that demonstrate a lack of objectivity and - good grief what is that garbage - of the clarity of thought expected in the high court is a sufficient explanation.

has also meant that she can be referred to as a man, despite being legally female.

Good God, all the language around this is so mangled.
Many people are legally female and think it's fine - even desirable - that they're referred to as a man. Is this now wrong? Does being "female" have anything to do with gender, or being a woman? Why are sex and gender conflated all the time?

Yes. Also, I would have thought that the judge would understand the GRA and the EA well enough that they would know that a GRC doesn’t change how a person may be referred to.

GRCs don’t mean compelled speech do they?

People who cannot separate their own personal agendas or feelings from their professional responsibilities should not hold positions of power and influence like this. Especially anyone believing this batshit gender woo.

The trash literally took itself out

The good judge doesn't seem to have been a very good judge. I wonder if, in a desire to be diverse and inclusive, the good judge may have been overpromoted? I hope not, that would have been rather cruel.

VM is a genuinely good judge. Really very good. Just blinded by gender woo in the last few years. I remember seeing their new email footer probably 3, 4 years ago- several lines long and all about pronouns,.and just thinking, eh? Then the clothes started getting more "interesting" (skin tight green mini dresses) and the hair was half blue, and then the online stuff started, and then they (allegedly) agitated.for the name change for Masters to Judges (which again allegedly went down like a bucket of cold sick with the other Masters), and here we are.
It genuinely is a shame.

That's interesting. It really does rot brains, this nonsense.

Interesting background Penguin - similar to the Izzard journey from subversive, funny cross-dressing bloke to self-indulgent bore?

Well lucky Judge M, having a choice of where to pee. Since Judge M having that choice means that Muslim and Orthodox Jewish women, amongst others, had nowhere to pee at all. Much inclusive.

Is this the endpoint for all these people? They simply become irrelevant bores?

Some spiral to worse outcomes than boorishness

It's an interesting possibility, though, isn't it. Now that it is (socially? legally?) acceptable to make one's awareness of the sex of masters with a transgender identity obvious in the way that one refers to them, does it infact threaten the dignity of the court / the role of master of the court?
As soon as one child says, "he's naked" the king's dignity is utterly compromised, and reverence for the role of king, and the entire heirarchy, too.

I think that actually the problem has arisen because the unreasonable demands of the TRAs has made women more hardline on some of the areas where they may have been tolerant. This has been discussed in here before.

A while ago (probably when VM transitioned) my understanding of, for example, the toilet situation was ‘women knew this was a man using them, didn’t like it but didn’t object too much because they felt the social contract would be on women’s side if there was a problem, so they could afford to ‘be kind’ and the transwoman didn’t act as if using them was a inviolable right’

Then when TRAs decide to demand women’s spaces as a right, women said ‘hang on a minute’ and therefore started to feel that any man using female facilities felt that he had a ‘right’ to be there rather than that he was aware he was there on sufferance. So it did become more political.

Agreed @Chickenrunning. Looking at the comments under the articles in the Times & Telegraph, the vast majority are critical and cynical. Lots of accurate comments about undue influence with the bench book and the need for judges to be impartial etc. Lots of those commentators are men interestingly.

No. Some start out that way.

I've just read the full article in the Telegraph. Archive.ph wasn't working for me yesterday and, I didn't realise, 12 ft ladder had severely truncated the Times piece.

https://archive.ph/NcFWS/again?url link around paywall to the Telegraph

Thank you for posting that.
It says in the article there that the judge thinks the process of changing your name by Deed Poll at present is too public and risks ‘outing’ trans people.

In my opinion, if people who want to live as though they are the opposite sex hope to be taken as making up a natural part of society, third and fourth genders perhaps, then secrecy and outright pretence ( especially GRAs) have to stop.

Nazir Afzal speaks very highly of the judge. He took a very strong stand against the grooming gangs.