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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dr Phil sees the light!

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Goldshelfie · 21/02/2024 10:10

Dr Phil on Joe Rogan, discussing the issue with trans identifying children. He says he’s got a few shows coming out soon talking about the problems and long term impacts of this trend. I know he’s done fairly pro trans shows before so I’m surprised to see this, but he’s obviously educated himself over the years. I think if he’s highlighting the problems in this ideology it will make a huge impact in the states, he is a huge star there and very mainstream.

https://x.com/billboardchris/status/1760123168662987188?s=61&t=i7ySTFPjQ78euCEDSQflbw

https://x.com/billboardchris/status/1760123168662987188?s=61&t=i7ySTFPjQ78euCEDSQflbw

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Beowulfa · 21/02/2024 16:34

This is what golden bridges look like presumably.

Saladpops · 21/02/2024 16:35

This is great news. Somehow I suspect that, as a man, he will be listened to more and less vilified than the women who speak out on this eg JKR.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/02/2024 16:41

OldCrone · 21/02/2024 16:33

My point was just because someone is speaking on something you agree with doesn't necessarily mean they are someone you want to align yourself with.

That's right. Agreeing with someone on one issue is different from 'aligning yourself with' that person.

Some of us agree with what he has said here. That doesn't mean we're 'aligning ourselves with' him. (I'm not even sure what 'aligning yourself with' someone means, though.)

I think "aliging yourself with" is one for the bingo card.

lechiffre55 · 21/02/2024 16:51

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/02/2024 16:41

I think "aliging yourself with" is one for the bingo card.

There are certain words and phrases that always set my spidey senses on edge,
"aliging with" is definitely one of them.
Just skip straight to calling people Nazis and save us all the time.

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 16:52

'you don't want to go aligning yourself with the likes of her/him' is absolutely on the bingo card.

It's a weak fallacy that plays too easily into tribalism.

BonnyBo · 21/02/2024 17:03

Never been a fan of dr Phil but great that another voice has been added to the chorus!

Saladpops · 21/02/2024 17:06

It's like saying that vegetarians are aligning themselves with Hitler.

GreigeO · 21/02/2024 17:25

Saladpops · 21/02/2024 17:06

It's like saying that vegetarians are aligning themselves with Hitler.

😂

MyPearlsMyPearls · 21/02/2024 17:36

What’s so important is a more nuanced conversation is finally starting and that that conversation is becoming more mainstream. I know very, very few GC people who wish anyone trans ill, but some concerns are valid and it’s been insane to watch them being shutdown and bullied.

Goldshelfie · 21/02/2024 18:29

I also think it’s irrelevant whether any of us like Dr Phil or agree with him usually, I’m not particularly a fan and do think he hasn’t helped over the years with a lot of puff pieces on trans issues.

The important thing is that he has a huge audience and is very famous. The fact that he is coming out and saying the unsayable about transing children being child abuse is huge. IMHO!

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ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 14:27

Goldshelfie · 21/02/2024 18:29

I also think it’s irrelevant whether any of us like Dr Phil or agree with him usually, I’m not particularly a fan and do think he hasn’t helped over the years with a lot of puff pieces on trans issues.

The important thing is that he has a huge audience and is very famous. The fact that he is coming out and saying the unsayable about transing children being child abuse is huge. IMHO!

Yeah, I don't know who he is beyond what I read yesterday, what matters is his reach and sunlight.

TempestTost · 22/02/2024 18:22

Surely the main point is that he has a wide audience, and is going to talk about the issues in the medical evidence.

That is a big deal in North America, most people have zero idea that it is so thin. They believe that it is all 100% medically supported with good research.

I had several workmates today, very supportive of "trans folk" ask me what a newspaper article meant when it talked about someone cis-gendered who had been assigned female at birth, and how someone could be queer if they were heterosexual.

It's easy when you have been following this to think supporters in the general public know what they are supporting. They really don't 90% of the time.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/02/2024 22:46

Goldshelfie · 21/02/2024 10:10

Dr Phil on Joe Rogan, discussing the issue with trans identifying children. He says he’s got a few shows coming out soon talking about the problems and long term impacts of this trend. I know he’s done fairly pro trans shows before so I’m surprised to see this, but he’s obviously educated himself over the years. I think if he’s highlighting the problems in this ideology it will make a huge impact in the states, he is a huge star there and very mainstream.

https://x.com/billboardchris/status/1760123168662987188?s=61&t=i7ySTFPjQ78euCEDSQflbw

As you say, his popularity means he could make a big difference.

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