Gender surgeon saying the quiet part out loud

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Sorry if there's already a thread. A gender surgeon seems to have said some of the bits they don't say out loud, at a WPATH sponsored event, and been recorded doing so:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13092239/Top-Canadian-surgeon-unwittingly-reveals-TRUTH-sex-change-ops-unearthed-video-lifts-lid-ill-trained-doctors-dying-appendages-dreaded-complications.html#article-13092239

have been following this car crash for about 4 years now and am still to get an answer to this-if gender woo feelings are what determines whether you are female or male and biological reality is some irrelevant optional extra, then why would you need to be hacked about with scalpels by some licensed butcher?

It's tragic that these surgeries are allowed.

'Trans care' is an oxymoron. If these butchers cared they'd be demonstrating against it.

This was always going to be the case, but you’re not allowed to state the truth because transgenderism trumps facts.

The woke movement have forced this to the extreme and surgeons and the like are seeing £££ signs.

it will be only a matter of time before the mass court cases will start

"Researchers from the University of Florida and Brooks Rehabilitation, a health non-profit, showed that more than half of trans surgery patients endured pain during sex, and nearly a third could not control their bladders."

Christ!

Many aspects of trans “healthcare” will greatly forshorten the lives of the victims. I think permanent wound infections from fake vaginas and penises, along with the body contsgantly fighting to reject sewn on bits will result in high motality rates over the next couple of decades. That’s before we even get into young women forced into early menopause dying from cardiac issues and dementia like women in their 70s and 80s.

Is there any other sort of surgery with such poor outcomes that is allowed?

The post-surgery complication rates for these operations are terrifying, as is the lack of post-operative care and advice especially with patients who have the operations done privately. Surgeons are being callous in operating on vulnerable patients who aren’t fully aware of what could go seriously wrong with their bodies.

Trans surgery my arse. It's akin to fgm and should be prosecutable. Hideous and butchery dressed up as cutting edge science.

"A huge majority — 81 percent — of those who had gender-affirming surgery in the past five years said they endured pain simply from moving around in the weeks and months after going under the knife."

Good heavens! Who would have expected major abdominal surgery to hurt during post-operative convalescence?

I see the Mail has heroically stepped in to provide an avenue for ghoulishly revelling in trans misery in case anyone was pining for that authentic Kiwifarms experience.

so I take it the reported outcomes are all fine and dandy with you then?

Short term post op pain is to be expected. I believe 3 months post op recovery time is expected for hysterectomy for example.
Years of pain, dysfunction, incontinence, recurrent infection, tissue necrosis, is not acceptable and from what I have read seems to be not uncommon.
That is before you consider the long term side effects of wrong sex hormones, particularly on young females who are pushed into menopause, osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy, increased risk of heart attack and stroke, 30 years too early.
IMO it is criminal.

You've been following developments in gender affirming surgery for four whole years?

That's nearly as long as I had to wait for mine - 17 years ago.

You must be almost as much of an expert as JK Rowling by now!

'Biological reality' isn't an irrelevant optional extra. It's a source of great anguish to many people - great enough to drive us to seek out drastic surgical routes toward addressing our physical dysphoria despite knowing they have a significant chance of complications.

A huge majority - 81 percent - of those who had gender-affirming surgery in the past five years said they endured pain simply from moving around in the weeks and months after going under the knife.

Good heavens! Who would have expected major abdominal surgery to hurt during post-operative convalescence?

For months??? It bloody shouldn't. Not for non life saving surgery. I did have life saving abdominal surgery, I died on my way into the operating theatre that was how life saving it was. Even then I should have been able to go back to work three weeks later. It only took 13 weeks because I developed MRSA and had to have the wounds re-packed every day. It still hurts now nearly two decades later. But I didn't have a choice, it was the surgery or dead.

Surely no one should put themselves through non life saving surgery if you then have to spend months in pain, especially as the chances they are spending months in pain is because something went wrong.

These surgeries have the potential for so much to go wrong, so much damage to be caused, so many ongoing problems and the likelihood of death that comes with any operation where you are anesthetized.

And for what? Bits chopped off, bits added, bits inverted, bits moved from arm to crotch?

Surely it is safer and a lot less painful to get decent therapy and learn too live with what you have. It's not as if the surgery actually turns a person into the opposite sex.

"ghoulishly revelling in trans misery". "Significant chance of complications" So is it one or the other or both?

There haven’t been any developments in genital surgeries on trans people. In some ways it’s gone backwards. Lack of puberty development for the younger cohort means using colon to create a fake vagina. That’s not progress; it’s a forced change due to the consequences of puberty blockade. It was seen as the only option when there wasn’t enough penile skin to invert.

Phalloplasty surgeries are no better or safer than they were 20 plus years ago.

It’s all butchery. Thousands of people underwent lobotomy under the pretence it was beneficial to mental health. In decades to come this will be viewed as the same.

Yes. Some with much worse. But the difference is they’re being used to treat life-threatening physical conditions, so the risks are worth taking. Gender affirming surgeries carry significant risks and are undertaken on previously healthy, fully functional bodies, which makes the risk profile much less acceptable.

'Biological reality' isn't an irrelevant optional extra. It's a source of great anguish to many people - great enough to drive us to seek out drastic surgical routes toward addressing our physical dysphoria

Fuck's sake. WHY are you opposed to explorative therapy then? It could save those who don't need drastic surgery from having drastic surgery.

And before you say no one goes into surgery without years of therapy anyway -- some do. Some very much do. And TRAs are trying to make it very hard to get the therapy.

Exactly. Demonise therapy as “conversion therapy”. Remove gatekeeping. No age restrictions as per WPATH. Insurance companies funding it now (USA). Petition for the government to fund surgeries (Australia). All so people can get surgeries with terrible complication rates quicker and cheaper.

This reminds me of the Edinburgh Action for Trans Health manifesto, which includes the right to any form of surgery they want, as often as they want, including the option to have it reversed and the right to be trained to perform surgery on each other.

https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

And a lot of people will discount this article because it’s in the Mail, and the Guardian is either too scared to report on this or doesn’t care enough.

Why only 21 people in the study? That's a tiny number

People with anorexia suffer great agony because of their denial of the physical reality of their bodies. No one has ever suggested treating them with surgery or drugs to endorse their dangerous delusions. Instead, attempts are made to treat their distress with therapy - it doesn't always work, but it often does buy the time they need to recover.

The Guardian supports gender-affirming care.

For elective surgery all one needs to have it is the money, time and ability to consent. If adults want to do whatever they want to themselves then they can. Whether you or I think it is ill-advised or butchery or stupid or whatever is neither here nor there. I think it is sad for the people having it to have complications and other consequences that they didn’t foresee but you pay the piper…..
Of course surgeons and pharmaceutical companies come in to fill this void, but as with all things, follow the money, who created this cult? They did.
Decades ago people with dysphoria were treated, some had operations others not, somebody somewhere along the line realised there was billions to be made and here we are.
Stupid is what stupid does. It’s like bloody Darwinism writ large.