NHS directs teenagers to 'Tranzwiki' that links to 'Trans Bare All' website

[ArabellaScott]

This NHS page is for 'gender confused' teenagers:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/trans-teenager/

The first external link is to 'tranzwiki'

'You can find charities and support groups on the Tranzwiki page on the Gender Identity Research & Education website.'

https://archive.is/xRdV6#selection-1337.0-1337.16

The 'tranzwiki' includes links to various groups for trans identifying people, including:

'Trans Bare all'

'As one of the founding principles of TBA is around supporting body confidence, our events include naked space in which everyone present is welcome to wear as little or as much clothing as they feel comfortable in. As Lee has described, “We found that when people took their clothes off, the conversations changed. Because they had already bared their physical self, they were more open to baring other stuff as well.”'

https://www.transbareall.co.uk/weekends

Can’t see any problem with confused teenagers being encouraged to strip off. What was that thing about safeguarding again?
😱😱😱

We are such pearl clutchers, honestly all just embarrassing old mums, it is so right wing to want children kept safe. We need to give our heads a wobble.

Why is there such a blindspot for this topic about the potential for reputational harm to the NHS?

• TBA exists to... Build Self-esteem
• Celebrate difference
• Explore sex and body confidence
• Nurture trans communities
• Explore boundaries

https://www.transbareall.co.uk/about

Transwiki also links to an old magazine that contains accounts from various 'trans' identifying people.

Including this one:

https://archive.ph/7aPE9

'When puberty, with a very limited knowledge of the facts of life occurred, I was still relatively OK with my developing manhood. The only thing which marked me out as different was a vague wish to have a female body and a desire to dress in female attire. I was brought up in a very puritanical Christian household, had only brothers and my mother was in her fifties by this time. She was several stones overweight and rather old fashioned in her taste in clothing (Sorry Mum!) I had few opportunities to experiment with women's clothes, but when I did found the experience arousing. I was very ashamed of this little peccadillo of mine. As masturbation was a sin, then what must it be if I found myself aroused by the ridiculous reflection in a mirror of a skinny teenager in old fashioned female clothes that were big enough to wrap around me twice???
...
I never admitted it to anyone. Later on my wife never knew that at times I "borrowed" her clothes. She did not know that many of the pieces of lingerie that I bought her would occasionally adorn my body, not just hers.'
...
'It was not until I became a father that I had the tiniest glimmerings of other things not being quite right. Many fathers are jealous of the relationship between mother and child, but I was jealous, not so much of the fact that the relationship existed, but more that right from the beginning my relationship with my children was different from hers. I wanted that bonding. In short I wanted to be their mother. So feeling guilty about this I tried extra hard to be the good husband and father. Still occasionally cross-dressing when the coast was clear.'

The TBA logo even looks like a creepy old perv watching teenagers undress....

Aren't these organisations grim? What is the NHS doing referring children to adult groups like this? Zero due diligence.
GIRES have form for offering safeguarding breaching courses for adults working with children that promote keeping secrets, immediate affirmation for even the youngest of children and so on.

I think that's enough internet for me today

Good bloody grief

This is soooo grim and so seedy. The way that person speaks about his mother is just pure misogyny and this is a safegiarding nightmare .

Come on now, the NHS are the experts. Surely they know better than you.

Put the pearls away grandma and get down with the kids. Naked kids. Yeah, groovy.

Ffs. Is there any part of gender ideology that doesn't serve creeps and perves?

There are also links on Tranzwiki to chatboards where trans identifying and cross dressing adults discuss meet ups and so on.

Dis anyone in the NHS check the link before embedding it?

Either they consider these links fine for children to explore or they failed to check. I'm not sure which is worse tbh.

So currently the NHS is directing confused teenagers to a page that links to chat forums for adults and a group that is based around getting naked and 'exploring boundaries'.

I know, I know. I'm just a big old prude.

I believe that you're actually a pearl clutching bigoted old prude Arabella. 🙄

Every time it feels that we're making progress something like this emerges to reminds us that children are being openly targeted and gaslit by some of the most unsuitable people (there's a better description but it would get deleted) in the world.

There is already an issue with adults successfully encouraging trans-identifying teenagers to send 'progress photos' showing the teens' bodily changes after starting cross-sex hormone treatment.

In case that's too oblique, I mean that trans-identifying teenagers, including children under 18, strike up online friendships with adults who wish to 'mentor' them with their transition. The 'mentors' encourage the teens to take and send nude photographs for feedback.

We need a Government Sanitisation Tsar where all these perves and creeps masquerading as mentors, after school clubs and help forums get reported and investigated.

It would help a lot if the non-perves could stop being so competitively clueless about human behaviour online.

Stop directing children to resources like this! It only serves to normalise it when the online 'friend' they're messaging askes them to share their 'progress photos'.

Takes me back to the days when Harriet Harmen supported the Paedophile Information Exchange.
Sick sick sick

That's the state of our current 'liberal Left'.

Fool me once...

I wasn't sure if I could see a phallus in the middle! What would Rorschach say about me...or was it deliberate on their part?!

Op, yanbu. I don't know if it would mostly be a forum for voyeuristic TW but if it's a space for young TM to show their mastectomy scars, that's even more dreadful. Like pro-ana forums.

Muppets! Bloody muppets!

I'm not awake enough to form coherent thought past that!

I'll be here all day... Handing out pearls to be clutched!

Assuming you can get them out of the rather tight clutch I currently have them in.

I clicked links.

I wish I hadn't.

What's the best route for complaining? There must be some way to offer feedback that will be seen by personnel who have not been captured.

Even the most ardent supporters of genderism and advocates for 'trans youth' should see that many of the links on 'tranzwiki' are not directed at or suitable for children/teens?

The NHS could have made individual links to organisations it considered suitable - even the dread Mermaids, riven with scandal as it is, at least is set up with the purported aim of helping children.

Instead they've flung in a link to Tranzwiki, which seems to be a raggle taggle list of all sorts of organisations, from 'Trans Bare All' to crossdessing social forums, sites that oganise crossdresser weeknd trips away, and a sort of confessional magazine that was published in 1998.

In that magazine Christine Burns advocates for the 'annihilation' of sex categories.

I appreciate genderism seeks to make single sex spaces mixed sex. But at the very least the NHS must acknowledge that different age groups have different needs, and different levels of vulnerability?

Lumping all 'trans' people into a list like this destroys the boundaries between, for example, middle aged cross dressing men and young females having naked events.

Those boundaries are important. They are there to protect people. Vulnerable teens need careful support, not throwing to the arms of any random organisation that has 'trans' on the label.