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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish prison service refuse to reveal results of trans survey of female prisoners.

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Rainbowshit · 12/02/2024 07:45

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/11/female-inmates-views-sharing-prison-trans-convicts-scotland/

Hmm, wonder what the results showed...? 🤔

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Waitwhat23 · 18/02/2024 18:59

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 18/02/2024 18:27

Did everyone write (& write again)to their idiot MSPs?

FWS newsletter has details here (below the Supreme Court announcement!!) https://mailchi.mp/forwomen/we-are-going-to-the-uk-supreme-court

Yep. For anyone who hasn't sent emails to their MSP's before, the website www.writetothem.com makes it incredibly easy.

Crankywiddershins · 18/02/2024 22:09

maltravers · 18/02/2024 11:00

Thanks fromorbit - so men get to decide what women are allowed to discuss at conference? What next, compulsory burkas for those with a cervix?

Burkas? It'll be sackcloth and ashes for you terfy uterus owners.

fromorbit · 19/02/2024 10:44

Protest in Edinburgh. The Monstrous Regiment of Women now have a piper.

Yesterday over 100 Protesters gathered outside St Andrew’s House in Edinburgh protesting the SPS’s determination to allow males in female jails.
We were pleasantly surprised when davidspiersiii joined us on the pipes for a rendition of ‘For Women’s Rights.’

https://twitter.com/CallieMac88/status/1758770323573309675

Maybe time to dig out some of the suffragette piper Bessie Watson's old tunes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Watson

https://twitter.com/CallieMac88/status/1758770323573309675

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2024 11:43

'...they were raised in a very impoverished Glasgow scheme they were survivors of child sexual abuse they grew up knowing nothing but abuse as they grew older took to drugs and prostitution to fuel their drug addiction. They said that when they were sent to prison it gave them a break from the violent men in their lives gave them time to regroup and recover. Not anymore. The trans identifying men they were locked up with had committed such violent crimes. One of them would strut about the [...] shower with an erection. The women dare not complain about this sacred caste of men, for if they did they would be punished and put on report and have privileges withdrawn. These vulnerable women lived on edge all the time frightened of the violent men they were locked up with.'

Powerful speech. Thanks, Julie.

Julie Marshall Prisons Protest

Outside the Scottish Government HQ protesting the Scottish Government transgender prison protest which allows males into the female prison estate.#WomenWontW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrhY4EY46yc

Cosmosforbreakfast · 19/02/2024 12:15

''The trans identifying men they were locked up with had committed such violent crimes. One of them would strut about the [...] shower with an erection.''

No woman would strut about anywhere with an erection. These guys don't even buy into their own bullshit.

Waitwhat23 · 20/02/2024 15:55

Excellent tweet by JKR -

'The trans activist outrage that ensues on here whenever I share my belief that jailed women shouldn't be used as validation tools or emotional support props for trans-identified male sex offenders is as revealing as it's predictable.

Such activists can't bring themselves to concede that a man who was convicted of harming women/girls ought not to be incarcerated with the demographic to whom he is a proven danger, because if they do, all their stock arguments ('no sexual predator would bother to pretend to be trans', 'no trans woman has ever harmed a woman in a women's only space', 'there is no danger in making all single sex spaces unisex') are exposed as the lies they are. If they admit that even a single man isn't a woman because he says he is, the entire edifice of gender identity ideology crumbles. This leaves activists who rely on bullying and slogans with nowhere to go but 'you hate all trans people', 'so you're saying all trans people are rapists' and, of course, 'you are causing a trans genocide.'

I think this particular issue also causes conniptions because it threatens the activists' self image. These are people who preen themselves on their kindness and virtue, so acknowledging the truth - that they're indifferent to vulnerable women being assaulted or traumatised - threatens the idea they have of themselves. They therefore double down. The prisoners complaining aren't really afraid of rape or voyeurism or violence at all, they say. They're 'not exactly delicate flowers', as one self-identified empath put it.

If you support putting violent and sexually predatory men into women's prisons, you are knowingly forcing those women to live in fear of, and, in some proven cases, to suffer abuse that many of them will have endured pre-incarceration. You are not kind. You are not righteous. Women have the basic human right not to suffer cruel and unusual punishment. #WomensRightsAreHumanRights'

x.com/jk_rowling/status/1759940576340770987?s=20

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 21/02/2024 10:18

Conniving bastards
The email between two colleagues states: “We were originally thinking three months from date of publication but that period is actually 13 weeks rather than 12 weeks and would takes us into tricky FOI territory re the publication of the operational guidance.
“Therefore, to ensure we are compliant with FOI legislation, the policy will 'go live' 12 weeks from date of publication: Tuesday 27th February 2023.”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24132893.information-commissioner-urged-act-sps-trans-policy-cover-up/

(I read via 12 ft)

Scottish Prison Service in new cover up row over controversial trans policy

Scottish Prison bosses are at the centre of a new cover-up row after it emerged that they deliberately hid documents on their controversial new…

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24132893.information-commissioner-urged-act-sps-trans-policy-cover-up/

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 10:32

Lying fuckers.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/02/2024 10:54

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 10:32

Lying fuckers.

That's pretty much ScotGov and every word that comes out of their mouth, about anything.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 22/02/2024 12:44

Has anyone else had different responses from their MSP than "usual"? I've had offers to send on to SPS & the Justice Secretary whereas usually I get a while load of trans rights twaddle that has nothing to do with the women's issue I wrote about.

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2024 13:30

From comparing with others who have received replies, there's clearly a copy and paste response from on high, for the parties I've heard from so far. Haven't seen any offers to send to SPS etc.

From SNP, the usual 'nothing to see here, move along' shite.

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2024 13:31

The replies from the Greens that I've seen are absolutely astounding.

Froodwithatowel · 22/02/2024 13:40

Why, do you suppose, the need to cover up reality and evidence? As if it's really inconvenient and unwanted to some preconceived decision and is going to go down like a lead balloon with the voters?

She says, wearily, bored to death with faking innocence.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 22/02/2024 13:50

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2024 13:30

From comparing with others who have received replies, there's clearly a copy and paste response from on high, for the parties I've heard from so far. Haven't seen any offers to send to SPS etc.

From SNP, the usual 'nothing to see here, move along' shite.

Mine is SNP & usually sends the copy paste bullshit but this is his office making offers to forward etc (I have replied along the lines of yes please & what will himself be doing)

I had hoped this was maybe a broader approach. Possibly the upside of no longer being in the cabinet?

Waitwhat23 · 23/02/2024 20:53

Regarding responses from MSP's -

forwomen.scot/23/02/2024/policy-for-the-management-of-transgender-people-in-custody/

Froodwithatowel · 23/02/2024 21:03

Waitwhat23 · 23/02/2024 20:53

Caring about the rights of imprisoned women is 'an unacceptable campaign against the rights and wellbeing of trans prisoners' (men.)

That is from a bloody Green Party MSP. By extension of logic: men with TQ+ identities have a right to use and abuse women and it is harmful to prevent them.

How stark does it need to be? I can't vote for any of the left parties, they are utterly fucking insane.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 23/02/2024 22:33

Thanks Wait very very interested that my SNP-bot is not reading off the script.

Couldnt agree more Frood it's so bloody depressing

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