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Alice Roberts in The Times

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Igneococcus · 10/02/2024 07:05

Mostly plugging her new book but the interviews bring up the trans issue:

"I am not trying to propel Roberts back to a 2019 skirmish in the trans wars in which she tweeted that “biology is, quite simply, messier and more wonderful than some people like to believe” and advised doubters to “ask a clownfish” — a clownfish being a fish that starts life as male but becomes female. It does, however, strike me that if human female and male brains are the same, how can it ever be said that a baby possessing male genitalia was born into the wrong body.
There is quite a pause.
“I think that’s a very difficult philosophical question. It’s very difficult to pin it down, isn’t it? And we’ve had decades of feminism where we’ve been trying to get away from women being reduced to their genitalia. My own feeling is that you approach everybody as an individual.”

No Alice, it really isn't difficult to pin down, and it's not about genitalia, it's about gametes.

On a side note, it seems if it weren't for Alice we'd still be clueless about the causative agent of plague:
"Her chapter on the Black Death of the 14th and 15th centuries reveals its genesis as the Yersinia pestis bacterium,"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/31f84383-e923-42d5-8011-64d0dd7c1ff9?shareToken=2d6448182015ccd30701f4cb6c84de9f

Alice Roberts: ‘I’ve been estranged from my family for years’

The country’s most famous archaeologist talks to Andrew Billen about her new book, a near-death experience, family rifts — and the power of pink hair

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/31f84383-e923-42d5-8011-64d0dd7c1ff9?shareToken=2d6448182015ccd30701f4cb6c84de9f

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borntobequiet · 11/09/2025 20:41

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 15:13

Tales from the Green Valley was the first thing I saw RG in, @LittleBitofBread - I caught an episode of it the other day on Together TV (I think), but this is the link to the series on YouTube.

It fascinated me because I live in a house of very similar date and construction, and it gives me a bit of a chill to think of the former inhabitants dressed in the same sort of clothes, doing the same sort of things as they went about their daily lives 400 years ago.

Thank you for that link! Great programmes!

Oops sorry meant to quote @PachacutisBadAuntie

DuesToTheDirt · 11/09/2025 21:01

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 19:30

Oh, I wasn’t aware of any prohibition on YouTube, but if the links don’t work you could just search for any of her programmes on it directly. The one I mentioned plus 'Victorian Farm', 'Edwardian Farm', 'Wartime Farm', ‘The Victorian Pharmacy' etc etc etc….

Ruth Goodman has quite a few shorter clips on YouTube too, 10-20 minutes. Just search her name.

soupyspoon · 11/09/2025 21:10

Whats Lucy Worsley done, please dont tell me she is TWAW as well?

BlakeCarrington · 11/09/2025 21:12

Excuse the irrelevant side note, but Alice Roberts was in the year above me at school. I didn’t know her though.

That is all, I just like to point it out, soz 😬

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/09/2025 21:24

soupyspoon · 11/09/2025 21:10

Whats Lucy Worsley done, please dont tell me she is TWAW as well?

If it doesn't involve her being filmed looking perky and posh in a fancy frock, it probably doesn't exist.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 11/09/2025 21:28

borntobequiet · 11/09/2025 20:41

Thank you for that link! Great programmes!

Oops sorry meant to quote @PachacutisBadAuntie

Edited

@Zeugma gets the credit for actually finding one of them on YouTube though 😁

Fgfgfg · 11/09/2025 21:32

LittleBitofBread · 09/09/2025 13:54

Googled Janina Ramirez and yes, I guess she is the goth historian. I don't think I know her.

Not sure what the '(And I believe Professor Lucy Worsley ?)' bit means; are you saying I should have used her title?

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‘The same rhetoric and fear’: Janina Ramirez on transphobia and history
Janina Ramirez, one of the UK’s best-known historians, reflects on gender fluidity throughout history, transphobia and Twitter trolls. From 2023.

LittleBitofBread · 12/09/2025 09:06

Fgfgfg · 11/09/2025 21:32

Times Higher Education. You can register for 3 free articles a month.

‘The same rhetoric and fear’: Janina Ramirez on transphobia and history
Janina Ramirez, one of the UK’s best-known historians, reflects on gender fluidity throughout history, transphobia and Twitter trolls. From 2023.

How interesting that she's written a book about women who were written out of history…
And JKR has chosen to die on a 'horrid hill', has she?
Hmm

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2025 10:14

It's a long time now, but I have a vague memory of a documentary where the presenter asked the expert "So what gender were they ?" of a discovery of a burial, and the expert gave them a hard stare and said "We have absolutely no idea, but the skeleton is male"

And if I am imagining it, can someone make it a reality ?

I can guarantee that if it happened it was on the BBC 😀

AudHvamm · 12/09/2025 10:34

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 15:13

Tales from the Green Valley was the first thing I saw RG in, @LittleBitofBread - I caught an episode of it the other day on Together TV (I think), but this is the link to the series on YouTube.

It fascinated me because I live in a house of very similar date and construction, and it gives me a bit of a chill to think of the former inhabitants dressed in the same sort of clothes, doing the same sort of things as they went about their daily lives 400 years ago.

Tales from the Green Valley is brilliant. I own the DVD, if only I had a DVD player still 😂

DeanElderberry · 12/09/2025 10:58

Are female celebrity brainboxes under more pressure to speak out and appear righteous? I listen to The Rest in History and although the blokes never address the subject, the odd passing comment makes it clear that they are sceptics if not outright critics, and see the whole thing in its context as a very familiar episode of social control..

SabrinaThwaite · 12/09/2025 11:21

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2025 10:14

It's a long time now, but I have a vague memory of a documentary where the presenter asked the expert "So what gender were they ?" of a discovery of a burial, and the expert gave them a hard stare and said "We have absolutely no idea, but the skeleton is male"

And if I am imagining it, can someone make it a reality ?

I can guarantee that if it happened it was on the BBC 😀

I have a vague recollection of that too, but it could have been a Ch4 programme.

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2025 11:52

DeanElderberry · 12/09/2025 10:58

Are female celebrity brainboxes under more pressure to speak out and appear righteous? I listen to The Rest in History and although the blokes never address the subject, the odd passing comment makes it clear that they are sceptics if not outright critics, and see the whole thing in its context as a very familiar episode of social control..

Top banter.

SidewaysOtter · 12/09/2025 12:26

Slightly side issue, but Ruth Goodman did an excellent series on R4 called The Curious History Of Your Home.

MarvellousMonsters · 14/09/2025 07:04

ErrolTheDragon · 10/09/2025 20:32

I can’t read what that says, is there a link to it?

Sorry, i didn’t realise the image was so blurred.

the text under the xray reads;

This is so perfect, for the time you look at this image, you don't know if it's a boy and girl, a girl and a girl, a boy and a boy, a black man and a white girl, a white man and an asian girl, you know nothing. Just the simplicity of the connection and the beauty of two human beings sharing love and that is all that should ever matter.

someone has replied;

False. The external occipital
protuberance on the right skull is much more pronounced, indicating that it is male, while the left on is female. Also, the both skulls have undulating jawbones mostly ascribed to caucasians or africans. The back of the lower jaw is flatter on the left, meaning that the owner is most likely caucasian. unfortunately, the edge of the jaw is obscured on the right, making it harder to distinguish. Of course, all this data is imprecise, but it paints a picture of a straight, non asian couple, most likely both white. Nice Idea though.

heres a screenshot, which may be clearer

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Thissickbeat · 24/09/2025 23:04

Alice was talking about a female skeleton on Digging For Britain this evening. Isn't it amazing how she knows the difference when it suits her 🤯.

CriticalCondition · 25/09/2025 07:51

Just to continue the Ruth Goodman love, her books are excellent.

How to be a Tudor,
How to be a Victorian
The Domestic Revolution - How the introduction of coal into Victorian homes changed everything.

Crammed with fascinating detail. She also has a wry style which is very enjoyable.

Hummingbirdtree · 25/09/2025 10:50

Thissickbeat · 24/09/2025 23:04

Alice was talking about a female skeleton on Digging For Britain this evening. Isn't it amazing how she knows the difference when it suits her 🤯.

This is what puzzles me. I have eeen her identifying male and female skeletons and characteristics so often on that programme. She is also very interested in the experiences of females in ancient societies. How does she square this with her views on trans ideology?

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