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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Saxon a spectrum

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IcakethereforeIam · 04/02/2024 11:12

More batshittery in academia

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/03/anglo-saxon-warriors-transgender-liverpool-university/

https://archive.ph/zoRIx

Tooth decay is female coded, who knew? While the rough tough girls transmen were out (and proud) fighting for Odin, the lads transwomen were plaiting their/them hair and eating sweeties 🙄

Some Anglo-Saxon warriors may have been transgender, says academic

Modern gender norms may not have applied in the Dark Ages, a study of seventh-century burials in Kent suggests

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/03/anglo-saxon-warriors-transgender-liverpool-university

OP posts:
Musomama1 · 07/02/2024 07:36

This thread is wonderful. I thought I'd enhance it further with a picture of Saxon.

Yes there are similarities, but they are definitely not the different band Def Leppard.

Saxon a spectrum
SinnerBoy · 07/02/2024 07:52

Yes, I know!

FrancescaContini · 07/02/2024 08:06

@Musomama1 Are they making a poor attempt to identify as the Spice Girls?

Treaclewell · 07/02/2024 08:45

The Repton archaeologists were more explicit about the possible identity of the grave as being Ivar's. Goodness knows how someone with his reputation allowed the nickname.

SinnerBoy · 07/02/2024 09:09

Perhaps it wasn't used to his face? cf Al Capone:

Don't call me Scarface!

duc748 · 07/02/2024 09:18

Prince Buster!

Treaclewell · 07/02/2024 09:47

And by the way, Buckland is deep in Jute territory, so not Saxon, and as non-Vikings, would have worshipped Woden, not Odin. And another interesting snippit, they took the Romano-British name Dubris, of which the case ending made it mean "at the waters" and changed it to Dofras, with the same case ending, so the ethnic change over may not have been complete or violent. The Buckland sword wielding maidens may have been Celts. Not a place I'd go to draw general conclusions about populations from.

Abhannmor · 07/02/2024 09:54

Treaclewell · 07/02/2024 08:45

The Repton archaeologists were more explicit about the possible identity of the grave as being Ivar's. Goodness knows how someone with his reputation allowed the nickname.

He was killed near Dublin. I suppose they might have brought such a high status person to his family home for burial. Some say Boneless refers to impotence. On the other hand Mac Imhar / Mac Ivor families were thought to descend from him. Would infertility show on DNA - if they ever got any ?

nepeta · 07/02/2024 18:21

The gift that keeps on giving, this transing of the dead! If we applied modern concepts to historical and prehistorical events, we would theorise that the kilts of Scotsmen were really worn for the same reasons as mini skirts are worn now or in the more recent past, that war paint was a form of make-up used by transgender women and so on.

The Victorians applied their contemporary lens to history and other cultures, and we later blamed them for that. But now the new generation is making that same mistake.

It's also interestingly retrogressive, as it tries to put 'women' (only redefined) back into the extremely patriarchal box where none of them ever did anything outside the prescribed gender norms of the era they lived in. Yet the people doing this don't see themselves as the defenders of patriarchy, or at least believe that they have made a private contract to be released from the rules, only at the expense of everyone else being firmly locked up in the old rigid gender boxes.

nepeta · 07/02/2024 18:24

We should really start on transing many more famous dead men. That might make men concerned about this trend, if Gandhi, say, was suddenly viewed as a trans woman for his values and the spinning etc.

Grammarnut · 08/02/2024 14:31

fedupandstuck · 04/02/2024 11:36

What a bizarre way to consider women and men who didn't conform to our modern ideas of what women and men did in ancient civilisations.

I was under the impression that applying modern interpretations onto historical settings was not the done thing by historians?

It is also really irritating that sex based stereotypes are being enforced here, under the idiotic guise that this historian is somehow being progressive.

Quite right, fedup. Historians cannot apply modern ideas/beliefs to even the Victorians, let alone ancient civilizations which had quite different world views (i.e. the world was created in 7 days) and ideas about how people behaved (women ran ale houses since they brewed ale, for example). It is impossible, pointless and quite wrong to apply modern ideas to the past.

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