Shahrar Ali's case against the Green Party - verdict due on Friday

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In a newsletter update from Emma Bateman (I bought her some carrot seeds once) she tells me that "The judgment in Shahrar's case will be handed down on Friday the 9th February".

I will be very interested to hear what the verdict here is. I've seen very little of the details of this case in the press and online sources I access, but I know it is important in ensuring that political parties don't become no-go areas for people with GC views.

If you want more details thread here go to last page to see links to tribunal report:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4875869-shahrar-ali-is-taking-the-green-party-to-court?page=1

There are huge implications from this case the Greens may go bankrupt.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/29/green-party-at-risk-of-going-bust-amid-trans-rights-row-legal-challenge-from-former-deputy-leader/

Also change everything inside other parties.

I wish I felt like labor had enough brain cells between the lot of them to take note if the greens are bankrupted, instead of the extremely short term view I expect: a competitor political party bankrupt? Break out the champagne, we’re celebrating!

Everything crossed. I'm a GP member with my finger hovering over the cancel button at the moment. I notice they're upping the subscription in January. On balance, if that goes into a nice big sum to pay SA's lawyers, I'm happy to pay it. Particularly if they then realise they need to quickly backtrack on their crap treatment of other gender critical party members.

If SA loses on the other hand it will reinforce their confidence to discriminate. I think that might be the point I'm out.

Labour will panic once the Green drama really becomes apparent.

There are probably hundreds of women and men that could sue Labour for sexism over being persecuted for being gender realists. Suppose Lab Women Dec takes them to court over being denied a conference place. Then there are countless councilors and members facing discrimination.

Don't move too fast to leave no matter the verdict. Emma Bateman and Dawn's cases are even stronger than Ali's. Emma has just been expelled for the third time she will probably be reinstated again. There is NO way they can win a case that flimsy.

He might win on appeal anyway.

Biology is real. The TRAS should have changed ALL THE LAWS to say humans were lego first before they started their next level crazy. These cases are slam dunks even if you don't have better lawyers which we do.

Green Party Women are back, organising and need votes.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4997204-green-party-women-have-regrown

If women take back one major center/left party they ALL will start to swing back.

God, that would be delicious. Could we get that going before election manifestos are agreed?

Thank you gor the links!

Emma Bateman says she is putting her field on fallow until she sees hoe Ali's case goes. Wonder what she will do if he loses😶

Can someone remind me what the Green Party's defence was? Was it that Ali was genuinely transphobic, therefore they were right to force him out of his role? Or was it that, as a political party, it was reasonable for them to expect that their senior officers adhered to a particular set of agreed policies?

Green Party taken to court over gender-critical row www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66585309

Brief synopsis. I think there's another thread linked up-thread.

From that BBC article:

They argue the party was justified in sacking Dr Ali because he had broken its code of conduct by voicing views that they claim were against the party's policy on trans rights and that he was "deliberately causing controversy".

Interesting idea that, if you speak out against party policy on a particular issue, then you have broken the party's code of conduct. I just wonder if they demand that universally - if you're a senior official and you express an opinion that contradicts party policy on any matter, is that a breach of the code of conduct?

That is interesting because views on Hs2 are divided in the Party and debate has become heated in the internal forums I hear.
Having said that the GP don't have an official view that has been voted in or out so maybe a poor analogy.

It also raises questions around how that party policy was arrived at in the first place. If any prospective policy has proponents and opponents debating the policy before it gets adopted as official party policy then are all the opponents purged from the party when it is adopted? They argued against the policy at the debate stage. Also how can policy change over time? If speaking against any party policy is cause for dismissal then it's impossible for policies to evolve over time, or even be overturned. All you need is some troublemakers to arrange for a policy to become official by gaming the rules, and now your are stuck with it in perpetuity.
The whole thing stinks of authoritarianism. A common theme among tribunals these days. I Bet the SNP under wee Krankie operated exactly the same way. Do what Nicola says or we'll organise a sexual misconduct trial against you.

In the actual tribunal a bunch of evidence came out of senior figures in the Greens harassing Shahar Ali over his views for years and he provided evidence that he was carrying out his role as spokesman well. So his case looks pretty solid in that he can show ongoing prejudice against him . Though I am no lawyer.

For more background on the Greens.

Green Women's Declaration had a recent meeting exploring what is going on see video here:
GWD Speak Out Webinar 22 01 24
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Can anyone on this thread answer this question please?

Can anyone summarise what's going on with Green Party Women? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5001322-can-anyone-summarise-whats-going-on-with-green-party-women

Looking out for the verdict tomorrow (Friday). Ali has been through so much to get to this point.

He's won.

I'm so relieved for him. I didn't see how he couldn't but some things are unaccountable.

"Dr Ali also seeks a declaration that he has been subjected to unlawful discrimination. I grant the declaration sought" - Judge Hellman

Wonderful!

Good for him. When can we see the full judgement, anyone know? and have the next cases been scheduled?

Great news

Great news, TRAs need to learn they can't play fast and loose with the law.

Great news. He is the reason I joined the GP and paid my £3 a month. Then I stopped when he was ousted.

Excellent news 💕