Dead people should be able to change their gender, says Labour MP

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A Labour MP has called for the law to be changed so transgender people can have their gender changed posthumously in official records.

In a written question to Parliament last month, Charlotte Nichols, the MP representative for Warrington North, asked if the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) 2004 could be changed “to allow transgender people who are deceased to be legally remembered by the gender they lived by”.

Replying, Stuart Andrew, the equalities minister, said that the Government had no plans to further amend the Act.

He said: “Where a person was using their new gender with an organisation prior to their death, and that was on their personal records, then we anticipate that the organisation would engage with their family members using the new gender.”

Mr Andrew added that “[t]hese organisations could include the NHS”.
His response has fuelled concerns of “self-ID becoming normalised in the NHS.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/03/transgender-nichols-gender-recognition-act-mp-change-nhs/

Industry of the future to invest in - hair replacement for genealogists losing their shit and tearing their hair out over this batshittery.

If I were the MP I could think of lots to campaign for in the wake of Brianna Ghey’s murder. This is not one.

Floisme · Today 08:01

'earlier this year a coroner recorded a 17-year-old transgender teenager’s sex as “male” in what is purported to be the first incident of its kind.'

Really? I thought it was illegal, I seem to remember Brianna Ghey's parents being told that they couldn't record the death as female?

In any case, Labour obviously really don't want to be elected, do they?

Could be really interesting in families where a title passes to males only, even the Royal family.

If Princess Margaret's kids said she told them she identified as a man but was never able to come out when she was alive, then as Prince Margaret she would have inherited over Elizabeth - so hello King furniture maker!

I think if I was an aristo's eldest daughter I'd be really tempted for the inheritance.

Love the headline, it's more or less <insert eye rolls here>

Ffs Labour the country's on its bloody knees and you're wittering on about this?

There would be an exemption for this, like there is in the GRA.

Ghengis Kahn - woman
Charles 1st - woman
Hitler - woman
Einstein - woman
Galileo - woman
Da Vinci - woman

this is fun! Oh I know - let’s make all the ‘bad guys’ women so we can really blame women for everything!

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/24070845.multiple-failings-care-trans-teen-took-life/

This is the story that mentions the coroner recording a female death as male (thus compromising data for anyone trying to track patterns of male suicide). The whole story is appalling.

Dead people can't consent.

A woman has been granted use of her dead husband’s sperm to have a baby. Put these two issues together and we can get a “baby born to dead woman in world first” headline.

She's the MP for Warrington, and so I suspect is the MP who represents the family of Brianna Ghey; though she's always had form for being a rabid TRA.

We are so far through the looking glass now.

Ah I didn't make that connection. In that case I apologise unreservedly for my 'joke' upthread - too late to edit I'm afraid. I should have thought to check beforehand.

Quite. The entire point of gender ideology is to abolish consent at all times and in all places.

Hard cases make bad law.

The difficulties with the standards for hate crimes were recognised at the time of McPherson but to horror of the underlying case meant that people wanted action and didn't care to account for the harms that would flow from it.

"How did we get to the position where an individual had to risk financial ruin to legally defend his right to free expression in the face of unlawful police actions? The well-intentioned roots of police recording non-crime hate incidents stem from the 1999 Macpherson report into Stephen Lawrence’s murder in 1993, which found institutional racism in the Metropolitan police. Macpherson recommended that the police adopt the definition of a racist incident as any “perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person” and that non-crime incidents should be reported, recorded and investigated with equal commitment to crimes. The aim was to help the police overcome their institutional racism and to build confidence within ethnic minority communities.

This has today evolved into a system of recording non-crime hate incidents that cover five of the nine protected characteristics in the Equality Act, including transgender identity (but not, bizarrely, sex). In a world where the police do not have the resources to investigate non-crime incidents, partly because of the volume of reports generated by social media, the College of Policing tells police officers to record as hate incidents all those perceived by the person reporting them as motivated by hostility, including unfriendliness or dislike.

This has become open to manipulation, with sinister consequences for freedom of expression. Anyone can complain to the police if they don’t like something someone says.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/02/policing-sex-and-gender-debate-worrying-freedom-of-expression

There's a current thread about Mrs Ghey calling for young people not to have access to social media. It's understandable but it doesn't mean it's appropriate, in keeping with our social standards, or implementable.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5000286-to-wholeheartedly-agree-with-brianna-gheys-mother

Absolutely ridiculous. Let the dead rest in peace. Leave them alone.

It's also important to remember in McPherson that the inquiry was not allowed to look into police corruption.

Honestly there needs to be a quota of stupid ideas that MPs are allowed and then they get sacked. I don’t think 5 yearly elections are soon enough for this level of dim.
I’m also very sorry if it’s Brianna Ghey’s bereaved family or people supporting them that have suggested this. I have every sympathy with the Gheys, but it’s an awful unworkable idea. Just think of the wills and inheritances that could be upended. it would be legal chaos.

'Legally remembered' - what does that even mean?

It means even after someone dies, you’ll still get reported for non-crime hate incidents for “misgendering” them.

Yup. This balloon has obviously found a sector if the ‘market’ who can’t complain that she is spouting utter nonsense.

nothing her living constituents need doing?

😂😂The complete and utter W⚓

I don't understand this at all. Freddie McConnell fought through the courts to get birth certificate law altered so that a transman giving birth would be recorded as the baby's father, not mother, and the courts said no.

So how come the death certificate, which is of equal importance and stature to a birth certificate, surely, can have gender identity shown instead of birth sex? What's the difference?

'earlier this year a coroner recorded a 17-year-old transgender teenager’s sex as “male” in what is purported to be the first incident of its kind.'

This is worrying, as a coroner is supposed to record medical facts. What other medical facts about a deceased person can they change?