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Genspect Article on separation from GC ideology and social conservative ideology

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MalagaNights · 03/02/2024 10:07

Sharing this as relevant to some other discussions I've been having on here linked to this.

https://genspect.org/navigating-ideological-currents-why-we-will-continue-to-avoid-ideological-bias/

I found the venn diagram quite clarifying, again linked to some discussions here, where I'm obviously more in the socially conservative circle wanting to protect social norms and other GC feminists here being in the critique social norms circle.(although I'm happy to critique them too, it's just my critiquing is increasingly leading me towards a more protecting norms stance rather than an abolish them stance. So I don't think critique is the best word.)

But we all agree on protecting women and children.

It's also interesting in how Genspect are going to try to position themselves as separate from both GC ideology and socially conservative ideology.
I guess this is how Helen Pluckrose fits in: she's the liberal free speech aversion to any tribal ideology guidance they want.

I think this is a good thing and the right thing for Genspect. But it does mean having to tolerate working with people who we disagree with and seeing those disagreements as necessary and valuable.

Navigating Ideological Currents: Why We Will Continue to Avoid Ideological Bias — Genspect

It is hard to think of any topic more likely to incite fear, rage, suspicion, purity-testing, name-calling, highly uncharitable mindreading and all the other less-than-delightful features of intense political polarisation than issues of sex, gender, ge...

https://genspect.org/navigating-ideological-currents-why-we-will-continue-to-avoid-ideological-bias

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VeronicasMonocle · 05/02/2024 20:21

Hello all - sorry for the disappearing comment! I've been reading the FWR boards for several months (and following the effects of gender ideology on children and women's rights for a few years) but just joined MN a few days ago. That was my very first comment, and because I'm a new user and my first comment had a link in it apparently that flagged it to MNHQ as possible spam, so my account was suspended, and my comment disappeared. My account has been reinstated now after a few emails with MNHQ, although it looks like my original comment still isn't there. From my conversations with MNHQ it doesn't seem like the article itself was a problem, but even so I don't think I'll repost it for now in case it gets flagged again. But for anyone interested it was an article by Aaron Terrell about AGP and ROGD in teen boys on LGBT Courage Coalition substack site.

I subscribe to the LGBT Courage Coalition substack, but I'm not very familiar with Aaron Terrell specifically, I'm just aware that he's part of the "heterodox" trans community that's critical of current gender medicine in particular.

From @BonfireLady it seems like it's a useful but flawed article. I think you're right that No matter how much empathy I (genuinely) feel for these boys and their parents, because at a young age they are victims, they are very dangerous to women and girls if this is not addressed.

Also, sorry to hear about your daughter's mental health crisis - that sounds very difficult, especially if you're dealing with violence as well. I hope you're getting support from somewhere (I know it's thin on the ground these days).

And thanks for the heads up on Aaron's twitter exchange with Ritchie Heron - that sounds awful and quite alarming!😦I don't have a twitter/X account and now that you mostly can't read X posts without account I miss lots of these types of events.

Dontblameitonsunshine · 05/02/2024 21:59

I’m not sure about that @Metamorphosising Genspect runs the Gender Dysphoria Support Network which helps families impacted by gender , eg parents, siblings, kids and spouses

Metamorphosising · 08/02/2024 21:46

Dontblameitonsunshine · 05/02/2024 21:59

I’m not sure about that @Metamorphosising Genspect runs the Gender Dysphoria Support Network which helps families impacted by gender , eg parents, siblings, kids and spouses

I’ve written quite a bit on the thread. Which part are you ‘not sure about’?

Metamorphosising · 09/02/2024 11:56

I didn’t want to bump the thread itself, but in this is a linked video where O’Malley early on shows her allegiance to ‘team peen’ and uses very vague sweeping statements which demonstrate her lack of real understanding of the groups, their histories and the nature of their involvement. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5003554-did-anyone-watch-stella-omalleys-critique-of-gc-feminists-on-youtube

The guy interviewing her confesses that he has only known about this issue for a year and by the tone of his voice and phrasing of his words, it’s clear he holds radical feminists/gender critical feminists in vicious contempt, and the way O’Malley responds- kind of bonding with him, sharing that contempt, and her patchy summary of the interested parties, shows she is signed up to team peen alongside him.

I didn’t watch very far in, I found them both too unpleasant. I get that O’Malley is feeling wounded and is grateful for allies, but she doesn’t put herself in a good light here.

Early on, she describes radical feminists being into ‘no platforming’, which is a very broad and loaded term. It is also wrong because it was radical feminists who said ‘we need to talk’ and tried to platform ‘both sides’, and it was the TRAs who consistently refused to show up at talks, on the radio, etc if radical feminists were speaking too. It was TRAs who ‘no platformed’ Bindel, Greer and so on.

The back story is that socialist feminists, after the radical feminist said ‘we need to talk’, started platforming erotically motivated men at their events as women. The radical feminists object to this.

Radical feminists aim to keep the words ‘man’ and ‘woman’ clear and unfudged because this reality-based distinction of words is essential for a woman-centred focus, furthermore they also perceive male erotic crossdressing in women’s spaces, as well as the male impulse to enter women-only spaces, (and to be addressed and perceived as women), to form part of the harmful and oppressive behaviours of male dominance, male violence against women as a class, etc.

The radical feminists were never into ‘no platforming’ because of a person’s beliefs or ideology, they objected to the physicality of men, especially men they consider to be harmful to women, being platformed as women at feminist or women’s rights events, especially those which claim to give women a voice. This isn’t rooted in abstraction or ideology but in real-world harms, for example, a convicted violent male criminal (who wants to be seen as a woman) was invited to parliament to influence prison policy on sex segregation in prisons, with devastating consequences for female inmates. So, in summary, radical feminists are not ‘no platforming’ based on ideas, speech, opinion, politics, ideology, they ‘no platform’ based on sex and trying to counter male domination and male violence. In other words, no platforming men who ‘get off’ on duping and dominating women from the platform, however, if you are not a man getting off on duping and dominating women, you are welcome to platform and voice whatever opinion you like (but you will still be criticised/shredded for it if your opinion, followed through, would - from a radical feminist perspective - widen the context for violence against women and girls).

It is in actual fact the socialist feminists who denounce and no platform based on ideas, opinion and belief, for example, Posie Parker was denounced and no platformed by them because of her opinions. This motivation of ideological ‘purity’ is consistent with the TRAs and the Left.

It would be much more useful for O’Malley to split it down the Left or Right, when talking about no platforming based on ideology.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5003554-did-anyone-watch-stella-omalleys-critique-of-gc-feminists-on-youtube

RayonSunrise · 09/02/2024 18:00

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would say Stella O'Malley is on "Team Peen." WTAF.

Metamorphosising · 09/02/2024 18:03

RayonSunrise · 09/02/2024 18:00

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would say Stella O'Malley is on "Team Peen." WTAF.

Please explain.

RayonSunrise · 13/02/2024 08:40

It's upthread.

BonfireLady · 17/02/2024 10:37

I've been off MN for a bit and now catching up on some threads.
Firstly, I'm glad that there was an explanation for the missing comment!
It's a shame that it went as I felt VeronicasMonocle raised some excellent points. How gutting to have your first ever post disappear!!

I've just watched the Stella O'Malley conversation. I found it interesting and it really does help to explain why there are these different groups that are being illustrated on the Venn diagram, albeit in a way that isn't entirely perfect. I'm still frustrated that there is an unaddressed gap in approach and conversation about the adolesent boys who are being pulled towards a belief in gender identity and a Malaga Airport "lifestyle". However, I remain hopeful that the collective debate, and all the different styles of approach to it, will stay on track to address this. Once the public fully realises the depravity and deviousness which underpins this part of the whole mess (and the influence that these people have had at the highest levels), it will fall. We are still heading in that direction, even with the "GC" infighting.

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