Dundee Women's Aid seek 'applicants who identify as women' for support role

[ArabellaScott]

Recruiting for a Women's Support Domestic Abuse Practitioner:

'Women only need apply under Schedule 9 (Part 1) of the Equality Act 2010. The successful candidate will be required to join the PVG Scheme. Dundee Women’s Aid positively welcomes applications from all applicants who identify as women within all sections of the community particularly those from the LGBT community.'

https://goodmoves.org/vacancy/a4sP10000006TnJIAU/womens-support-domestic-abuse-practitioner

This is gaslighting.

Reported here: https://newspaperscotland.mailplus.co.uk/data/3792/reader/reader.html?#!preferred/0/package/3792/pub/12984/page/24/content/684105

I don't see how this is lawful.

Schedule 9 (1) allows discrimination against people who do not meet the requirement to be a particular sex.

It doesn't allow discrimination against only some people who do not meet the requirement to be a particular sex.

If it's OK for some men to to the job, then being a woman is not a genuine occupational requirement. And if it is a genuine occupational requirement then the person employed must be a woman. (For some other characteristics there's leeway allowed for whether the employer judges the applicant to meet the criterion or not; for sex that leeway is specifically excluded - they objectively do meet it or don't meet it, rather than the employer choosing where to draw the line.)

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/26

Isn't Dundee where, I think, Women Won't Wheesht have been barred from a women's event for no forthcoming reason?

Dundee where the fruitcakes are also nutty.

IANAL but from what I understand... according to the EHRC it's illegal discrimination if Dundee Women's Aid advertise the job for women and appoint a transwoman, but also according to the EHRC no-one will do anything about it. If they do apppnt a transwoman then another man could sue for sex discrimination but it's not obvious why any man would bother. Dundee Women's Aid could legally appoint a transman because they advertised for a woman and are not allowed to discriminate against a woman who has reassigned her gender to male.

Fun times to be a lawyer!

That is my reading of the law too. We need a man to apply for it.

They learned nothing from the Period Officer debacle I see.

This is infuriating.

I saw a definition on a site the other day, which was obviously very very carefully worded:

"Some survivors find they need to know they will only encounter women (women who have lived their whole lives as women or girls) in order to feel safe and understood enough to access services. For this reason, the support line volunteer role is open only to women."

I know this is a circular definition, but at least it's pretty clear what they are trying to achieve. Even someone who believes TWAW will not say that a TW has lived their whole life as a woman.

It's also the implied suggestion that they will favour transwomen over women:

' ... positively welcomes applications from all applicants who identify as women within all sections of the community particularly those from the LGBT community'

I suppose they could mean 'L or B'. But they don't, do they. They can't mean 'G' because men are precluded from applying. The 'LGBT community' means absolutely anything, from Asexual to Cakegender.

Quoting from that:

'A counsellor working with victims of rape might have to be a woman and not a transsexual person, even if she has a Gender Recognition Certificate, in order to avoid causing them further distress.'

Yes, TWAWers will. Because gender identity is 'innate' so though the TW was assigned male at birth they have always been a woman.

The Telegraph have picked up the story

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/domestic-violence-charity-job-those-who-identify-as-women/

https://archive.ph/Qazt8

They've sourced a quote from DWA from somewhere, at the end of the article. I admit that I'm a bit tired at the moment but I can't make head nor tail of it.

The cant quote that clause in the Equality Act if they are saying women.

I think though if they only wanted transexuals they could use that clause if they felt it was proportional to only employ a trans sexual.

Not being in Scotland, not quite sure, but the least we can do is(?)
> write to the group, specifically the Trustees
> write to funders
> write to local authority
> write to local MP & MSP
> write to Charity Commission
> wwrite to GoodMoves to say they are hosting an ad that breeches the law
any contact details that anyone can supply?

I suspect they just copies other ads and probably have no idea. Particularly given the culture created not just the sector but politicains

But this doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to account.

Their email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DundeeWomensAid
X Twitter: https://twitter.com/DundeeWomensAid

Are they not aware of the court case re ERCC?

'DWA has said that it is committed to “recognising that the right to self-determination can involve risk and ensuring that such risk is recognised and understood by all concerned, and minimised whenever possible”.'

Nope. Not just you.

I think it means they know they're putting women at risk, agree that's not ideal, and after due consideration are going to do it anyway.

the right to self-determination can involve risk and ensuring that such risk is recognised and understood by all concerned, and minimised whenever possible

By 'self determination' they mean self ID? And that self ID poses a risk to women, and that everyone knows it poses a risk to women, but they won't actually place women's safety/wellbeing above the feels of the man who wants to pretend he's a woman?

And if it can't be minimised then that's just too bad (for the women at risk, not the blokes claiming to have ladybrains).

I hadn't seen the link to the Telegraph article, but good that it has been picked up.

But sometimes I wish the Telegraph and other papers eg the Times who may or may not have a genuine committment to sex based rights would get in touch with the right women's groups to comment.

ie someone who works for refuges so that the emphasis was on the fact that refuges are set up to be (bilogical) women only, and that as a funded organisation they have deliberately (or been brainwashed by Stonewall training) into not understanding the SSE.

Helen Joyces comments are just not apposite in terms of the implications for a domestic violence project and unfortunately waters down just how scandelous this advertisement is.

The Telegraph should have contacted Scottish Women's Aid to ask them how they felt that one of their members is placing misleading advertising.

Equally any funders, especially if it is Government money, to challenge them on why they aren't supervising grant funding properly.

This isn't some theoretical discussion about the law to allow campaign groups to get a few quotes in.

This is about an established sector whose work practices should be absolutely clear.

More specifically it is about the function and need for women's services as created by women's liberationism, and contemporary campaign groups dont seem to have the slightest grip or interest in that aspect.

What with the court case re ERCC and now this, it should be a huge opportunity to look at the overlaping problems of conditional funding by political groups, eg SNP as well as the invidious undermining of women's issues by queer trrans policy.

Making out that this is just a group that's taken a mis - step shows a complete lack of understanding of current politics and the history that led to it.

Talk about erasing women's history and women's rights.

I've read that statement a few times and it just doesn't make sense.

The first time I thought it was about poor vulnerable trans women being unfairly outed.

Then I thought it is as you say, that although there is potential risk, its should be managed. ie the priority should be to allow TW to be accepted as women, rather than the priority being women's safety.

I wonder if this is the pat answer that has been dreamed up by (cant remember thier name) that faux equality group in Scotland and circulated to groups who bow down to their trans agenda to show just how responisble they are, acknowledging the risk.

Just sick.

The corruption needs to be exposed.

Well I never. Have just seen that the Daily Mail has written a better article than the Telegraph, at least they contacted Scottish Women's Aid, not that they got anywhere!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13027943/Women-charity-accused-flouting-equality-law-advertising-applicants-identify-females.html

they contacted Scottish Women's Aid, not that they got anywhere

I suspect SWA are absolutely fine with it.

I suspect SWA are absolutely fine with it.

Well they played the all our groups are autonomous and self managing card.

Which is interesting compared to Rape Crisis Scotland who attempted a statement re ERCC court case, that (biological) women only services are essential.

Not revelling in any of what is happening in Scotland, but am wondering whether the combined actions of For Women Scotland, various court cases (including UK Government), Nicola Sturgeon stepping down, is an indication that the stranglehold of TRA ideology is not quite as strong as it once was.

And of course, let's not forget the funding of a women only rape crisi service by JKR.

My only question is who is funding This organisation? They are who need to be targeted with questions regarding the legality of this.

You read my mind

They have in their heads . . .