Wes Streeting on single sex wards

[ArabellaScott]

https://twitter.com/SkyPoliticsHub/status/1752059704233124087

'it should not be beyond the realms of possibility to have wards for women, wards for men, and also suitable safe accommodation for trans people'

'single sex wards' - but dodges the question about whether this would be by sex or gender.

I'm sorry to hear about your DD. Wishing you both well.

Wes Streeting sounds incredibly naïve when he talks about the health service. His ideas sound like they’ve been cooked up by a teenager. Either that’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about or because he knows these basic sound bites sound good to stupid people.

This was written into a work "anti bullying" policy at a job I had to leave. That avoiding trans people is transphobic and therefore to be condemned. This peaked me like nothing else. One is not allowed to go about one's life without actively encountering and acknowledging people with a completely different world view and approach to living. I find this to be almost abusive of people. There is no "live and let live" strategy possible here. No quietly letting people get on with it. No, we have to engage and agree. It is coersion.

Edited because I'd misread the post.

Where does everyone think the money for extra wards nurses and doctors going to come from. Not that we have enough nurses and doctors anyway.

Who knows? But in the meantime males shouldn't be on female wards.

All they really need to ask themselves - is putting a male on a womens ward treating the women with the dignity and respect they deserve. If the answer is no, then they know what to do.

Yup. And Streeting was part of the secret group of witch finders general, set up to drive GC women out of Labour. He is a total misogynist and one of the main reasons I can't see myself voting Labour at the GE. I think quite a few of the Front Bench who are TWAW are motivated by Be Kindness and a poor grasp of the facts, but Streeting is driven by a strong hatred of women, IMO. He genuinely gives me the creeps.

Wes and Kier. Kier and Wes. It's like the Chuckle Brothers without the comedy.

The Chuck-Up Brothers

I've always assumed that his constituency is part way responsible for Streeting dropping the usual Labour "stop talking terfs" line?

I still have all the screenshots on my hard drive locked in my cupboard.

I don't post them any more due to not wanting to out some of the women who were on it, as it was incredibly distressing to them.

We call him the TERFfinder general in our house. And always will.

Yes I remember it all very clearly.

Build wards where? Unless they're planning to build an extension on to the side of the building, the only way to "build" wards specifically for trans people is to take away spaces from the male and female bays. They'll have to go into the side rooms. It won't be possible to have bays specifically for trans people.

If it is actually possible to literally change sex, as we are told, it is possible to build new wards.

Good point!

Plus, if it is actually possible to literally change sex, we don't need new (third space) wards.

I think it is quite possible to have single sex provision and mixed provision for those who really don't mind - there are different reasons for being in hospital, some planned, some emergency, some short stays, some longer and your attitude will depend a lot on why/how long you are there - if I break my arm and need to stay in overnight until they can reset it in the morning, sharing a ward with men isn't a big deal, whereas if like my more grandmother, you are are in for complex surgery including gyne, there for 2 months you need to be comfortable, able to sleep etc.

I noticed Streeting’s use of terminology has changed: he didn’t employ the usual Labour fudge of ‘safe spaces' he referred to 'single-sex spaces'. I don’t know why he’s changed terminology but, given how slippery Labour are on this subject, I (regretfully) don’t trust what he says about protecting women in hospitals.

I won't trust Labour until they can specify that a transwoman is male and do not have a female sex. Until they prove otherwise transwoman are women and women are female, all females is single sex anytime they state single sex spaces

If it’s actually possibly to build new wards, is it actually possible to built bigger A&Es first and staff them with more actual doctors and nurses so that the actual paramedics can get out of the hospital and aren’t parked up in their ambulances waiting to discharge their patients to overun departments? Actual life threatening stuff doesn’t care what sex/gender/ideology you have.

Honestly I think a dose of reality (actually being a patient in hospitals) is needed for all these people who are pontificating over giving a disparate group of ideologists special treatment. Hospital isn’t a premier inn. Single sex wards should be a basic.

The idea that hospitals will build separate wards for 0.3% of the population is utter nonsense. He will either have change current NHS policy of allowing trans women onto women's wards (likely unlawful under the EqA) or he's lying.

It is not unlawful to refuse to house transwomen on women's wards under the equality act in fact it's a specifically mentioned exemption.

Beat me to it, Baroness!

The only thing that DadJoke has posted that has any credibility is his statement that he is not a lawyer.

At one time I'd never have believed that the language of women could be eradicated by the demands of such a tiny % of the population. Or that the NHS would experiment on children below the age of consent on the say so of lobby groups with no medical qualifications. Or that the NHS would enable male born sex offenders to sleep on hospital wards alongside women. Not to mention - the abusive practices in women's prisons, police stations etc.
Yet here we are with an unbelievably miniscule % of the population being enabled to tear up the social contract, existing language and laws. Given the complete social change and the millions of ££ devoted to it, some new small additional hospital facilities should be a non brainer surely?

It says that there can be single sex wards. But to exclude transgender people from those wards, it needs to be legitimate and proportionate, so no.