Is Citizengo having a pro JKR petition a good thing, or will it just confirm to some that GC politics are right wing

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For anyone who hasn't heard about CitizenGo:

CitizenGO is an ultra-conservative advocacy group founded in Madrid, Spain, in 2013 by the ultra-Catholic and far-right HazteOir organization, a similar Spanish platform that has been dedicated to the fight against "gender ideology" since 2001.

The foundation aims to be "a community of active citizens that seeks to promote the participation of society in politics" and "defend and promote life, family, and liberty." It promotes petitions in 50 countries, mostly defending Christian causes, and those opposing same-sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGO

But their politics are quite well known. And it is used by some groups who certainly dont share the politics listed above.

However, does it mean if you sign the petition that you align with the politics of the organiser of the petition, or is it that any acknowledgement of the stand JKR has taken, from any political perspective, should be supported?

Please Note MNHQ! This isn't about linking to a petition but to have a discussion as to whether context outweighs objectives - Thanks

I'm in the US and I am definitely not 'right wing'. I am GC. The state I live in passed a law last year that merged trans youth issues with abortion access.

That's really interesting.

Can you give an example of how trans youth issues were merged with abortion?

Hard for me to get my mind round but would be interested in how this is argued / presented.

Thanks

This isn’t a left or right thing. This ain’t American politics ffs.

A gen ago ‘real’ socialists wouldn’t have had any truck with women being demoted to second class citizens. I say this as a kid who was brought up in a family who believed in fairness, equality and society helping those in need and was involved in policy setting.

Now they seem to focus on yammering brats who want gimme gimme gimme.

I think, on balance the conservative, right wing, nutbags are slightly less dangerous than the "women can be replicated by men dressing as creepy sex dolls" nutbags.

I will grant you the balance is fine, what with the woman hating on both sides. But nevertheless a difference can be discerned.

It’s a sad day when you feel that the choice is ‘barefoot and pregnant’ or ‘gagged and replaced by a man with Gazza boobs’

I too am intrigued by law that encompasses trans youth and abortion.

Yes how is that possible. I cant even begin to think how these could be part of the same strand.

The left will point the finger and say it is the same thing, without bothering to acknowledge that GC feminists arrive at their position on trans issues on the basis of their feminism.

So how a right wing analysis thinks trans youth and abortion are a twinned political issue is really hard to understand.

It happens often in most countries. Politicians tag on a less popular thing onto a law design that is popular to try and get it through under the radar. If the opposition stops the bill the first party can argue that a popular bill was stopped by the other team, even if the resistance was against the tagged on nonsense they tried to push through.

Most people never read entire laws or addendum's. They rely on the media to talk about it but journalism is dead so...

I'm intrigued by the idea that you see a specific petition you agree with, sign it, and suddenly that means you're politically aligned with a position you didn't sign up to, based purely on the presumed politics of the people who run the petition site.
I've signed any number of petitions. Does that mean I suddenly support a Tory government because I've signed ones on the parliament petition site.?
Or am I automatically left wing for signing ones on change.org?
When I sign local paper petitions on local green issues, should I be checking the political alignments of the volunteer who hands it to me?
This is nonsense. Someone signing a petition is signing that petition. That's the only thing it says about them.

I've always felt that the extremes of left and right can be equally woman-hating (and indeed prejudiced in other ways). I believe the key difference is that right-wing misogynists are much more honest about how they feel about woman's role in society.

Personally I always felt less uncomfortable around old-fashioned, often paternalistic sexist men than I did the misogynists who dressed up as feminists and "allies". I knew exactly where I stood with the former, I felt more confident speaking up for myself, and there was often some mutual respect between us even if they espoused old-fashioned ways of thinking.

The latter will put you on a pedestal (at least until you espouse some wrongthink), all the while consuming violent porn and calling you a liar if you take issue with something they've done.

You are very kind in allowing for the idea that the poster is simply mistaken rather than wilfully attempting to create a bad faith presentation.