Educate and Celebrate Charity closing down.

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Anybody know what's going on. I think it's a voluntary dissolution of the charity but good news anyway.

https://twitter.com/Wommando/status/1747917889200406754?t=OBZ5J8tV638NfcMfHIU0_Q&s=19

No but watching to see if it all becomes clear.

Is this the one that went into schools?

Yes, this is an old analysis from Transgender Trend

https://www.transgendertrend.com/educate-celebrate-smashing-heteronormativity-classroom/

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If it really does close down then that's one fewer group of self interested adults gaslighting children in schools :

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4664215-educate-and-celebrate-remove-patron-after-channel-4-performance

Excellent.

The worry is that as one closes down another pops up under the same staff. Basically a change in name only. Hopefully not.

Yes lets hope they aren’t just doing this to dissociate themselves from the penis piano player

Bloody hell, they were responsible for this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11193253/Chaplain-dismissed-refusing-chant-smash-heteronormativity-tribunal-hears.html

They also lied about being 'recognised' by Ofsted

Seems a bit sudden. I see nothing in the accounts report to suggest imminent closure.

Smashing heteronormativity is a good thing. Heteronormativity does a huge amount of danage and creates homophobia including internalised self-hating homophobia which can in some cases give rise to a homosexual person only being able to accept themselves if they can adopt a trans identity and pretend to be a member of the opposite sex.

I don't know the background of this particular charity and it seems likely from the links above that it got infiltrated by gender ideologists who want to smash concepts of physical reality instead of heteronormativity.things like an effeminate boy or a tomboy girl being railroaded by culture into an expectation that they are trans is intrinsically heteronormative though.

When a charity disbands it is obloged under charity law to give its assets to another charity with similar aims. If they were truly trying to smash heteronormativity they ought to choose eg the LGB Alliance or other charity that focuses on LGB people rather than T

He is the bloke who played the piano with his cock on Ch4? I didn’t know he’d been going into schools and nurseries 🤯

Does put a new slant on 'having a tinkle on the ivories'. Tbf, that probably wasn't his shtick when he went into schools 🤔

I wouldn't say Jordan Grey 'played' the piano with his penis: it was more a smearing over the keys with his modest member.

Can anyone define 'heteronormativity' for me? Perhaps @YireosDodeAver could have a go. While I dislike the word 'normal', it's undoubtedly true that most people are heterosexual: you can look up our last UK census to find that. So I'm thinking heteronormativity must have a meaning beyond that. Saying something is normal, meaning it applies to most of the population, is clearly not the same as saying anyone or anything not conforming to it is wrong/evil or whatever.

Heteronormativity is default-assuming everyone is straight. Bringing children up saying to girls that they will meet and marry a man and have a standard heterosexual relationship, and to boys that they will meet and marry a woman. Not creating the mental space for children as they reach puberty to consider whether they are straight or gay or bi, and either making being gay a thing of shame or at least being weird and abnormal such that if they start feeling attractions to people of the same sex they think there's something wrong. It's parricularly bad for those of us on the autism spectrum who spend their whole adolescence trying to work out how to be normal and how to fit in and if the cultual message is that you are supposed to form a relationship with someone of the opposite sex and settle down, that's what leads to people being married with kids before they realise they are gay.

It's default-asking a woman if they have a boyfriend and asking a man if they have a girlfriend, assuming that everyone is heterosexual which is acting as if not being heterosexual is weird.

What's better is to bring children up without assuming either way. If you talk about their future and what might happen when they are adults use gender-neutral language about a theoretical future partner. We will have succeeded in smashing heteronormativity when there's no more reason to "come out" as gay than there is to "come out" as heterosexual.

But most people are heterosexual. We know this. As I see it your reply @YireosDodeAver, is about being open-minded and not funnelling people down gender-conforming paths. So what feminists have been saying since forever.

However, Educate & Celebrate seemed to have been saying far more than that, as those involved in promoting gender identity ideology always are.

I don't get it either so I'm glad you asked. Surely most children are raised with the "normality " of finding a partner of the opposite sex and having children within a family unit, but it's also emphasised that it's fine not to do that too.

It doesn't make gays as being weird, or hateful, or abnormal, just as it doesn't mean raising children outside a family unit is weird, or hateful, or abnormal. Or indeed being childless. It's just different to the majority. As a society we like comparing ourselves to the norm, or the average. Not having that loose comparison actually seems to offkilter us all. Or is that the plan?

WRT to heteronormativity as a feminist I have never assumed anyone is anything! That includes about their sexuality (and actually I don't wonder about that at all, how weird). It's a private matter until someone chooses to share.

I deliberately make efforts not to use stereotypical language.

Eg when I see a child crying because they are lost I don't say "where's your mummy?" I ask them "where's your grown-up?"

I've never assumed my children will end up heterosexual and have made plenty of space for them to have boyfriends and/or girlfriends

Feminism has always wanted to break down gendered expectations, sexist stereotypes and more - amongst a range of aims of course.

Jo Bartosch in Spiked has written an article on these type of organisations in schools. E&C closing down, if they are, is barely a start

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/18/gender-ideologues-are-still-running-amok-in-schools/

As a society we like comparing ourselves to the norm, or the average. Not having that loose comparison actually seems to offkilter us all. Or is that the plan?

It does seem to be the queer theorists' plan. Queer theory seems to be about removing all societal norms. It seems to be important to the people pushing this to teach this to young children so that they don't grow up with an understanding of the societal norms of the society they're living in, but instead are fed the idea that those norms don't exist. This goes further than just heterosexuality, it's about everything which is socially acceptable (or not) in society.

The people pushing this seem unable to understand that what results from this is not more tolerance amongst those children but a lack of understanding about the world around them. Or maybe that's the plan? A generation of children who grow up lacking boundaries or an understanding of what is normal in social interactions. If they really want these children to build a new, more tolerant society, this isn't the way to do it.

More about what is going on in schools here, with some links to more information.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-scheme-teaching-children-trans/