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A potentially helpful article about entryism which I think is relevant here

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AttillaThePlum · 11/01/2024 10:08

AKA how did so many organisations end up being bossed around by trans activists. She doesn't mention this specifically, but Lord it is relevant:

https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/siw2?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=1phyvk&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

How to prevent giving the Social Injustice Warrior access to your network

Blocking access to network infiltration

https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/siw2?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=1phyvk&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Rightsraptor · 11/01/2024 10:18

Looking forward to reading that later on. She maybe covers it, but it only takes a really low % of employees to change the culture in an organisation.

TheClogLady · 11/01/2024 10:36

Oh, excellent.

This is what I’ve been calling the EDI Vampire (invite it in and it’ll eat your organisation from the inside out)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/01/2024 10:47

She's also written this earlier piece, The Social Injustice Warrior, which is excellent:

"The fantasy involves a world without oppression and clear lines of justice. A world where the right “wrong” people are held to account so they never repeat their crimes to humanity. A world where the right people are recognised and rewarded with good karma for their benevolence. A world where the Earth can start to breathe and flourish again, where extinction no longer occurs, children are safe and we all get along. A safe and comfortable world which New Age devotees call the Golden Age of peace. Who wouldn’t want that?

Except, this world doesn’t exist.

It can’t exist in a society stratified into a hierarchy where power struggles dominate. Being trapped in the injustice cycle using the behaviours of the oppressor to defeat oppression is a fantasy world of justice. Those looking to recreate the world in their image, by overthrowing the oppressors and dismantling the oppressive ways, do so by creating a new hierarchy in which they have power and control in this new world order. This is #justice."

nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/socialinjusticewarrior

LittleGlowingOblong · 11/01/2024 10:47

I really recognised the co-opting of a cause or oppressed group in order to raise your own social status through your (sometimes misdirected) advocacy and activism.

Support them and admire them though I do, I think some climate change activists fall prey to this temptation. And church leaders, of course.

LentilFaculties · 11/01/2024 11:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/01/2024 10:47

She's also written this earlier piece, The Social Injustice Warrior, which is excellent:

"The fantasy involves a world without oppression and clear lines of justice. A world where the right “wrong” people are held to account so they never repeat their crimes to humanity. A world where the right people are recognised and rewarded with good karma for their benevolence. A world where the Earth can start to breathe and flourish again, where extinction no longer occurs, children are safe and we all get along. A safe and comfortable world which New Age devotees call the Golden Age of peace. Who wouldn’t want that?

Except, this world doesn’t exist.

It can’t exist in a society stratified into a hierarchy where power struggles dominate. Being trapped in the injustice cycle using the behaviours of the oppressor to defeat oppression is a fantasy world of justice. Those looking to recreate the world in their image, by overthrowing the oppressors and dismantling the oppressive ways, do so by creating a new hierarchy in which they have power and control in this new world order. This is #justice."

nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/socialinjusticewarrior

This is really good.

There's so often a macho, violent edge that worries me in protest, even when I strongly agree with what the protest is about and strongly agree that the protest should happen. Yes it's a minority of protesters but reality shows us a minority of violent men cause a lot of trauma.

I'm especially concerned that you don't see that macho energy ever protesting explicitly for women. Which implies that their politics is not pro woman. I don't want that particular group of males to have more power and influence even when sometimes we might be protesting the same thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/01/2024 11:39

There's so often a macho, violent edge that worries me in protest, even when I strongly agree with what the protest is about and strongly agree that the protest should happen. Yes it's a minority of protesters but reality shows us a minority of violent men cause a lot of trauma.

I'm especially concerned that you don't see that macho energy ever protesting explicitly for women. Which implies that their politics is not pro woman. I don't want that particular group of males to have more power and influence even when sometimes we might be protesting the same thing.

Yes, I agree.

RethinkingLife · 11/01/2024 11:44

TheClogLady · 11/01/2024 10:36

Oh, excellent.

This is what I’ve been calling the EDI Vampire (invite it in and it’ll eat your organisation from the inside out)

Previous threads come to mind.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203804-The-Deptford-People-Project-and-the-impact-of-self-ID-and-transactivism-on-working-class-women

I can't find it just now but in 2018 or so, there were threads about Mark Fisher's Exiting the Vampire Castle (2013). It is an interesting essay about class and identity politics (some of the original formatting lost from quotation) that implicitly describes entryism and purity:

The danger in attacking the Vampires’ Castle is that it can look as if – and it will do everything it can to reinforce this thought – that one is also attacking the struggles against racism, sexism, heterosexism. But, far from being the only legitimate expression of such struggles, the Vampires’ Castle is best understood as a bourgeois-liberal perversion and appropriation of the energy of these movements. The Vampires’ Castle was born the moment when the struggle not to be defined by identitarian categories became the quest to have ‘identities’ recognised by a bourgeois big Other.

The privilege I certainly enjoy as a white male consists in part in my not being aware of my ethnicity and my gender, and it is a sobering and revelatory experience to occasionally be made aware of these blind-spots. But, rather than seeking a world in which everyone achieves freedom from identitarian classification, the Vampires’ Castle seeks to corral people back into identi-camps, where they are forever defined in the terms set by dominant power, crippled by self-consciousness and isolated by a logic of solipsism which insists that we cannot understand one another unless we belong to the same identity group.

I’ve noticed a fascinating magical inversion projection-disavowal mechanism whereby the sheer mention of class is now automatically treated as if that means one is trying to downgrade the importance of race and gender. In fact, the exact opposite is the case, as the Vampires’ Castle uses an ultimately liberal understanding of race and gender to obfuscate class. In all of the absurd and traumatic twitterstorms about privilege earlier this year it was noticeable that the discussion of class privilege was entirely absent. The task, as ever, remains the articulation of class, gender and race – but the founding move of the Vampires’ Castle is the dis-articulation of class from other categories.

www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/mark-fisher/exiting-vampire-castle

The Deptford People Project and the impact of self-ID and transactivism on working class women | Mumsnet

Interesting interview with Lucy McDonagh, co-founder of the Deptford People Project in this article: [[http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/le...

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203804-The-Deptford-People-Project-and-the-impact-of-self-ID-and-transactivism-on-working-class-women

RethinkingLife · 11/01/2024 20:35

The leaflet mentioned in this piece was written by Prof Alice Sullivan's father. It covers the rise of identity politics and, to some extent, entryism.

But my favourite work, at best tangentially related to my course, was a tattered pamphlet called “Go Fourth and Multiply”. The pun was a reference to the Fourth International, the international revolutionary socialist movement formed by supporters of Leon Trotsky in 1938 in opposition to the Third International, aka the Comintern, the official pro-Moscow communist organisation. After Trotsky’s murder in 1940, the organisation eventually split — spawning a myriad of factions, groupings and positions, one strand of which eventually morphed into Britain’s Revolutionary Communist Party.
Written by John Sullivan, a veteran left-wing activist, “Go Fourth” is a deeply knowledgeable and often hilarious satire on Britain’s would-be revolutionaries. I was not a Trotskyist, but I was firmly on the left. My years at Jewish schools, studying religious texts and the nuances of Talmudic interpretation, gave me an unexpected affinity for doctrinal disputes over how many cadre members could protest on the head of a pin.
My favourite grouping was the Revolutionary Workers Party, a tiny bunch of Labour Party entryists (not to be confused with the Workers Revolutionary Party). One of the RWP’s demands, that the Soviet Union should not be distracted by pacifist deviations but must launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the capitalist West, was, noted Sullivan, “generally played down when canvassing”.
Amid the Life of Brian knockabout, “Go Fourth” was also astonishingly prescient about the rise of lifestyle and gender politics now tearing the left apart.

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2020/the-marxist-cell-in-number-10/

The Marxist cell in Number 10 | Adam LeBor | The Critic Magazine

Adam LeBor investigates the former communist cult that has found common cause with the prime minister and the Brexiteer Conservative right…

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2020/the-marxist-cell-in-number-10

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