Today is a horrendous day for women.

[Catsanfan]

I haven't the energy to explain, just skim Aja's twitter this morning. So much there, I am losing heart. Especially the police thing.

Many are. Pro Labour on main boards don’t want to hear about any of it.

The idea a male could do this and we could be in the position of enacting a crime due to misgendering is so incredibly abhorrent I’d be ready to go postal

Some Labour luvvies can’t believe that anyone could tell a fib - unless they are an evil Tory. Childish political take on human nature.

There were 4 trans police out of the whole force ie 0,01% of the police force in 2021 - why are you targetting this is as a topic of concern? There are other much more concerning issues with the police.

Plus - article from the Daily Mail?? You don't think they might want to possibly stir people up with no basis in reason or logic?

It's a matter of principle. What is the threshold for state sanctioned sexual assault by the wielders of the violence monopoly before we are allowed to cry 'foul'?

...and if the numbers are so small, what can't the trans individuals just opt out of performing strip searches, full stop? Or are other people just theme parks for generating gender euphoria?

The problem works in all directions. It's such a mess. Not just in the police. Searches are common in other settings such as prisons and MH (although more likely pat down than strip in MH). Often dealing with vulnerable people.

It's both people who are trans putting professionals in difficult positions by asking for same gender rather than same sex searches and visa versa with professionals who are trans putting the public in similarly difficult and unreasonable positions.

How many times are you ok with?

Why are we subverting the law and spending thousands of pounds of taxpayers money changing the meaning of words in the police service and illegally prioritising one pc over the others if there's only such a tiny minority it affects? It's a criminal waste of taxpayers money if so.

Maybe all the time and effort put into these policies that strip women of human rights and break the law might be more usefully spent on actual crime? Investigating flashing, or burglaries would be a good idea, no? Maybe if they hadn't spent so much time prioritising rolling out this policy bollocks, which is illegal as some of their own lawyers pointed out, they could have investigated Couzen's-like men for the flashing crimes they get away with before moving on to more serious crimes.

It's such an abuse of power and it's eroding women's rights in the operational arm of the law and breaking the actual law whether or not any women actually get harmed.

Although it sounds like female police officers are suffering considerable mental distress at the very least based on the quotes from them in the report. And that's only the ones brave enough to speak out.

@littleblackcat27
@Echobelly

From: https://www.womensrights.network/wrn-police-report
“This is not a hypothetical situation. Many forces already have officers who identify as the opposite sex including West Midlands where 12 officers identified as the opposite sex when asked in February 2023. “

I wouldn’t necessarily rely on PNews for anything approaching reality…

What about all the female police officers who are required to strip search trans identifying men who insist they are women?? Despite being told that it could never happen, there are plenty of examples of trans identifying men being arrested and/or put in prison so who has to search them?

How many is enough for people to want to fix this? Comes back to n+1, doesn't it?

So if 12 officers from West Midlands identified as trans in Feb 2023, are previous posters suggesting that 8 of those officers (and any other officers who identify as trans across the whole rest of the force) are ‘not true trans’?

Shame on you!

The police should not be breaking the law or making it up as they go along, regardless of whether that results in harm to anyone.

However there is harm - they fail to investigate, let alone bring to court, stalking and flashing and rape whilst spending hours creating and implementing these law-breaking policies. So even if simply in the waste of time that could have been spent on actual policing, there is harm.

Although I'd say Sarah Everard's murder by Couzens is an example of the actual harm of rampant sexism in the police force, which these policies are a small part of.

Plenty of men have said they'd ID as trans as soon as they got arrested (or presumably now also even stopped and searched), and plenty have done it too.

You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

Supposing there was only one male officer who identified as a woman. How many women is that individual sexually assaulting over the course of his career?

Why is he allowed to do that?

Pipe down @littleblackcat27 and @Echobelly No one asked you to check out this thread, no one is frothing at the mouth or whatever it was you said. There are sensible intelligent women who are worried at what the world is and has become for women in the last 10-15 years. If it affects 1 woman that is 1 too many!

Why would anyone lie and say oh it is only 4 in the whole force when the report states 12 in one area?

We are not thick, we can count. We know that 12 is bigger than 4. And that is just one area.

Jaysus.

I don't know, maybe they think women can't count? I hope they get to meet mathematician turned journalist turned shero Helen Joyce one day if so!

(ps am a regular, recent namechange, not a Plopper)

So there's really no problem at all. What are we all kicking up such a fuss about, eh? Must be a knee-jerk over-reaction.
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Who's been watching the Great Post Office Scandal? It's a surprisingly similar mechanism. You're already a suspicious character or you wouldn't be searched, they are in charge and if you complain about who does it that just gives another reason for the law to take action against you. You're helpless.

If the numbers are so low why allow them to search women? There should be enough female officers to search females.

There’s a trickle down affect here too. It’s normal at football stadiums etc for pat-downs on women to be done by female security staff. No idea what the law is but that’s what happens.

If you change rules for police/prisons there’s a danger of it happening in other places too.

No matter what aspect of the impact of gender ideology we discuss, someone always plops along to tell us that the numbers are too tiny to "froth" about.

Well either the numbers are so tiny it's all irrelevant OR it's such a huge issue we need to change law, policies, language, healthcare, social contracts...which is it? Can't be both.

There are so many ramifications of a law based on a falsity

It the GRA says a man is legally female then what?

It’s incredible how bad it is for women