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alltootired · 06/01/2024 00:58

@Winnading let me guess? You are middle class.

alltootired · 06/01/2024 01:00

@IwantToRetire No idea. Why not try and set one up and see?

TheZoehan · 06/01/2024 04:36

and there are some trans people who forget they transitioned and need support coming to terms with missing body parts

Good lordy! Can you imagine that? Somebody with dementia waking up one day and thinking "who chopped my carrot off?" 😳

EmpressaurusOfTheSevenOceans · 06/01/2024 06:46

IwantToRetire · 06/01/2024 00:37

So yes it would have been given permission if it was not for LGBT people

I was saying would they get permission for an LGB project, or would they insist it has to be LGBTQI+ - that is why my comment referenced the LGB Aliance.

As mentioned there are many community housing projects around the UK based on some common factor, age etc., so was surprised at anyone questioning it.

But given this is FWR, the question is would an LGB housing project get planning persmission or would all the TRAs pile in with objections?

Very likely. Just like there will be male transpeople who want to feel affirmed by being part of women-only communities.

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:22

penjil · 06/01/2024 00:53

Then that 40% Muslim community will just have to accept that the other 60% will be something else.

I don’t disagree with you but I suspect MCR council are deliberately shit-stirring.

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:32

CervixSampler · 04/01/2024 21:34

there are some trans people who forget they transitioned and need support coming to terms with missing body parts,

I shouldn't laugh but this really tickled me. It's the way it's written I think and stress response to worrying about my mum's advancing years and mild confusion at times. Then I realised that there is a lot of focus on young people transitioning and the effect on them of having perfectly healthy body parts removed. In advancing age with dementia there could be some real distress and confusion relating to missing body parts and I've not read anything anywhere that mentions this. Has it been thought about and discussed anywhere? I hadn't thought about when transitioners get to old age and what issues they might have. I've nurses confused patients in their 80s who thought they were still 21 and just married. Imagine thinking that (if the memory was only intact before transition) then you notice you are missing your breasts or penis and the sheer horror and distress that would cause. The powers that be that think it's cool and ok to remove body parts need to think about their patients 20,39,40,50, 60,70 years down the line and how this so called cure is going to impact them. I'd be really interested in ready anything about this.

The Beaumont Society (many decades old club for transvestite and transsexual males) used to campaign on this topic before they switched to the more fashionable gender identity stuff (which if real would mean no transitioned people with dementia would suffer this way as ‘they were born with an opposite sex brain’ so the new body would match).

This article is from 2018:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-43365446.amp

Dementia

Dementia care advice for trans patients - BBC News

Guidance includes dealing with patients confused between their gender preference and their birth gender.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-43365446.amp

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:37

There is some emerging evidence that transitioned people are more likely to suffer from Alzheimer’s

https://www.beingpatient.com/transgender-dementia-nonbinary/

(how that breaks down into transmen and transwomen I’m not sure but early hysterectomy also seems to be linked with cognitive decline? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3702015/)

This is not my area of knowledge so just chucking some links up, hopefully someone with expertise can comment more!

Transgender and Nonbinary Adults More Likely to Develop Alzheimer's Symptoms

New research finds that transgender and nonbinary adults are more likely report possible Alzheimer's symptoms, compared to cisgender adults.

https://www.beingpatient.com/transgender-dementia-nonbinary/

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:48

This is the actual document that the 2018 BBC article referenced:

https://www.transvisie.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/supporting-me-transgender-dementia-final.pdf

i haven’t reread the whole thing today but a quick skim suggests it’s a mix of pragmatism and batshittery (no prizes for guessing which bits were written by activists and which bits were written by HCPs!)

New housing development for LGBTQ people 55+
New housing development for LGBTQ people 55+
New housing development for LGBTQ people 55+
Karensalright · 06/01/2024 17:59

OMG i have just read this document from end to end.

Firstly if we are talking about dementia care it is now apparent to me that the T group of people would need specialist care.

My MIL has Alzheimer’s (still at home but getting quite confused now) so it struck a chord.

The document really throws up huge ethical nightmare that is not addressed at all.

For example if the patient begins to refer to themselves as Barry and is unclear and confused as to why they are dressed as a woman, wondering where there genitals have gone, the document seems to suggest you should assert their contemporary status when they may have no interest in that anymore. just to suit none demented TRA’s world view.

They are even suggesting that a demented patient might suddenly develop dysphoria.

There is simply no cited research in this document, it’s just made up bag of nonsense.

My family don't want MIL to go into care until its the last resort because it so understaffed with a lack of qualified staff.

So what are the odds of this document having anti effect at all

Truly a dystopian nightmare

OldCrone · 06/01/2024 18:23

This is the 'research' the document is based on.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309155550_Transgender_Mental_Health_and_Older_People_An_Appreciative_Approach_Towards_Working_Together

Two of the authors (Jenny Burgess and Debbie Roberts) are trans people featured in the document.

Karensalright · 06/01/2024 18:59

@OldCrone thanks for that have read it all.

didn't find anything to worry or annoy me in that document, apart from the bit about the feminist movement. (Not as accepting- as they would like patronising bar stewards)

What is missing is any research in to T persons with advanced dementia, and people who care for them including HCP and carers and relatives. It all just negative assumptions.

The thing that has upset me is a person with advanced dementia lives in previous periods of their lives, at first a bit then a lot.

And as my family experience, and advice is, we go with that for the most part. Is where are they believe they are in their lives.

So if Belinda refers to their previous name then carers need to go with that, not some views from T people who don't have a Scooby doo about dementia.

It is just awful

Fireyflies · 07/01/2024 09:41

It would be unusual to move to an extra care scheme aged 55, even though that's technically the lower age limit. The large majority move to extra care in their 80s, most commonly following bereavement or worsening health. Some may move earlier, while still fit, and the extra care providers would love to have more of them (hence the over 55s marketing) but the reality is mostly elderly people.
I agree with the pp who said they may struggle to fill the places - a lot of older people's housing schemes struggle when they're trying to sell homes on leasehold so need a prospective buying who can afford the price (plus hefty service charge) at the right time in the right please. Adding in a LGBT criteria would no doubt make this harder, though Manchester is a big city, and I would expect they're end to welcoming anyone who considers themselves LGBT-friendly if they need to. B

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