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UK: Former Leader in “Gender Diversity” Organization Pleads Guilty to Live-Streaming Castrations, Distributing Images of Child Child Abse

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 28/12/2023 00:08

from Reduxx

A former queer activist from Norway has pleaded guilty in a London court after carrying out castrations and livestreaming the footage as pornography to a paying audience over a span of six years. Marius Gustavson, 46, uploaded recordings of the illicit surgeries to his ‘Eunuch Maker’ website, netting up to £200,000 from subscribers.

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UK: Former Leader in "Gender Diversity" Organization Pleads Guilty to Live-Streaming Castrations, Distributing Child Pornography - Reduxx

A former queer activist from Norway has pleaded guilty in a London court after carrying out castrations and livestreaming the footage as pornography to a paying audience over a span of six years. Marius Gustavson, 46, uploaded recordings of the illicit...

https://reduxx.info/uk-former-leader-in-gender-diversity-organization-pleads-guilty-to-live-streaming-castrations-distributing-child-pornography

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/12/2023 09:04

Anyone else get a sense of deja vu over vile things like this? Back in 2018 we were discussing someone else with a history of defending extreme porn who was also involved in dismantling women's rights via Maria Miller's misnamed Women & Equalities Committee.
Read this thread (and marvel at some of the legendary posters on there) but weep at how porn soaked males have continued to push their agenda through society and now increasingly successfully at children

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers?page=1

John Ozimek (now Jane Fae) on women, feminists and victims of pornographers | Mumsnet

From the Skin Two Fetish yearbook, 2009 (Skin Two Issue 60), by John Ozimek, edited in 2012 by 'Jane Fae' (sorry I don't have the original John versio...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers?page=1

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 09:06

And that was 5 years ago.

And it's getting worse.

As soon as I feel we are getting somewhere it's very clear we really aren't.

NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2023 09:07

There’s a very long list of trans activists who if the future reveals similar behaviour to that in the OP my shocked face will look like this:

😶

AlisonDonut · 28/12/2023 09:10

Many a woman has been banned from here for the merest suggestion that this soft of behaviour is linked to 'queer theory'.

Although live streaming castrations for 6 years on a website called 'Eunach Maker' under the noses of the British Police Internet Offences team is hardly surprising, after hearing years ago that their own internet blocking system had banned them from investigating on the very internet that they were trying to police.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 28/12/2023 09:12

This story was in the national media about two weeks ago, and what I find very strange is all the outrage from public institutions and national media over this man castrating other (consenting) men, yet the same organisations heavily promote castration of men (and boys) due to gender identity.

A couple years ago the police quickly shut down a religious cult that involved castration, but wrap it up in gender identity and everyone goes blind to it.

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 09:18

This was clearly known about for some time if ambulances were regularly called to the same address.

How did it take so long to stop it?

SoundTheSirens · 28/12/2023 09:26

NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2023 08:47

I have always suspected that the entire movement to trans identify and transition children has been mostly engineered by men with nefarious reasons and this is another piece of evidence of such. The pieces will all fall together eventually.

I think there are three distinct groups who advocate for the transing of children:

Porn-soaked men with no sexual boundaries - these are, sadly, the ones with the power within the GI movement.

Individuals who transitioned themselves, have nagging doubts that it was the wrong decision for them but can't admit it, and have convinced themselves that if more young people can be urged to do it then it must have been right for them after all. Often quite young adults who live their lives mostly online.

Parents who want to demonstrate how open-minded they are, to the point their brains have fallen out. Not the desperate parents of determined teens trying to minimise the damage while keeping familial relationships intact, but the ones who pride themselves on raising 'theybies' and insist their non-verbal toddler 'told' them who they were by their toy and clothing choices 🙄

I have some sympathy for many of those in 2) because they've been failed themselves. But the men in 1) (and the women who simp for them) can get in the fucking sea.

ETA: that was supposed to be a reply to @NotBadConsidering's post.

Froodwithatowel · 28/12/2023 09:30

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/12/2023 09:04

Anyone else get a sense of deja vu over vile things like this? Back in 2018 we were discussing someone else with a history of defending extreme porn who was also involved in dismantling women's rights via Maria Miller's misnamed Women & Equalities Committee.
Read this thread (and marvel at some of the legendary posters on there) but weep at how porn soaked males have continued to push their agenda through society and now increasingly successfully at children

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers?page=1

Lang Clegg has been proved right again, and again (and again.)

And on all those threads (and I'm sure on this one too give it a few hours) there'll be the furious 'you're saying everyone TQ+ is a pervert!' gambit, and a lot of nice people will rush to soothingly say 'no no no, that's not what anyone's saying, read what they are saying, and let's think about the difference between TQ+ persons and someone making use of the loopholes' yada yada yada, while the stamping and accusations and emotions are hurled around....

instead of everyone saying directly to that poster 'why do you perceive these very serious, evidenced concerns about safeguarding to be a threat to your activism?'

Because that's the real issue.

NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2023 09:33

SoundTheSirens · 28/12/2023 09:26

I think there are three distinct groups who advocate for the transing of children:

Porn-soaked men with no sexual boundaries - these are, sadly, the ones with the power within the GI movement.

Individuals who transitioned themselves, have nagging doubts that it was the wrong decision for them but can't admit it, and have convinced themselves that if more young people can be urged to do it then it must have been right for them after all. Often quite young adults who live their lives mostly online.

Parents who want to demonstrate how open-minded they are, to the point their brains have fallen out. Not the desperate parents of determined teens trying to minimise the damage while keeping familial relationships intact, but the ones who pride themselves on raising 'theybies' and insist their non-verbal toddler 'told' them who they were by their toy and clothing choices 🙄

I have some sympathy for many of those in 2) because they've been failed themselves. But the men in 1) (and the women who simp for them) can get in the fucking sea.

ETA: that was supposed to be a reply to @NotBadConsidering's post.

Edited

I agree to some degree.

I don’t think it’s porn-soaked men. I think it’s men who have a great deal to gain from a cohort of adults with the bodies of children.

I think you’re correct about your group 2 but I think your group 3 and the younger element of group 2 only exist because groups 1 has generated an idea to take hold in these people’s minds.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 28/12/2023 09:33

SoundTheSirens · 28/12/2023 09:26

I think there are three distinct groups who advocate for the transing of children:

Porn-soaked men with no sexual boundaries - these are, sadly, the ones with the power within the GI movement.

Individuals who transitioned themselves, have nagging doubts that it was the wrong decision for them but can't admit it, and have convinced themselves that if more young people can be urged to do it then it must have been right for them after all. Often quite young adults who live their lives mostly online.

Parents who want to demonstrate how open-minded they are, to the point their brains have fallen out. Not the desperate parents of determined teens trying to minimise the damage while keeping familial relationships intact, but the ones who pride themselves on raising 'theybies' and insist their non-verbal toddler 'told' them who they were by their toy and clothing choices 🙄

I have some sympathy for many of those in 2) because they've been failed themselves. But the men in 1) (and the women who simp for them) can get in the fucking sea.

ETA: that was supposed to be a reply to @NotBadConsidering's post.

Edited

A lot of those parents are actually quite homophobic (you see this in the US), but rather than accepting their child's homosexuality if they can claim that it is a medical condition that needs fixing, that for them is much more acceptable.

It's similar to Iran where all gay people are strongly made to consider gender transition.

BrimfulOfMash · 28/12/2023 09:33

Two nurses and a surgeon from a London hospital involved in this.

Sickening.

EdithStourton · 28/12/2023 09:41

I don't think it’s porn-soaked men. I think it’s men who have a great deal to gain from a cohort of adults with the bodies of children.
I hadn't quite seen it like that, @NotBadConsidering but I think you're probably right.

But yeah, never happens.

ApocalipstickNow · 28/12/2023 10:07

Froodwithatowel · 28/12/2023 09:30

Lang Clegg has been proved right again, and again (and again.)

And on all those threads (and I'm sure on this one too give it a few hours) there'll be the furious 'you're saying everyone TQ+ is a pervert!' gambit, and a lot of nice people will rush to soothingly say 'no no no, that's not what anyone's saying, read what they are saying, and let's think about the difference between TQ+ persons and someone making use of the loopholes' yada yada yada, while the stamping and accusations and emotions are hurled around....

instead of everyone saying directly to that poster 'why do you perceive these very serious, evidenced concerns about safeguarding to be a threat to your activism?'

Because that's the real issue.

Edited

I’ve saved your post so I can copy and paste that exact response 👏👏👏

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 10:45

And on all those threads (and I'm sure on this one too give it a few hours) there'll be the furious 'you're saying everyone TQ+ is a pervert!'

I've noticed that they don't now on threads like this, where perpetrators have been convicted and there's hard evidence of extreme depravaty and also public sector trans activism.

There will be other threads and detractors on other threads designed to distract, especially in relation to children though. For example on the school's guidance thread.

Which is why it's worth c and p the links in this thread for when that happens.

AraJingleBellScott · 28/12/2023 10:59

'A castrated vicar, named Benedict, said: 'It's nowhere near as weird and difficult to try to become a eunuch now as it was 30 years ago.
'Now, we have doctors who don't even blink when you say you want to just remove your testicles, or just add a vagina. I never saw this coming'.'

Quote from DM article above.

Melroses · 28/12/2023 11:06

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 09:18

This was clearly known about for some time if ambulances were regularly called to the same address.

How did it take so long to stop it?

Where I grew up there was a biology teacher who used to do vasectomies on the side, and wasn't stopped until he was imprisoned for problems with his own gynae clinic that he was running. Even then his career within medical establishments wasn't stopped and safeguards were introduced as a reaction later on.

It was a whole load of lack of joined up thinking and late reaction.

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 11:15

AraJingleBellScott · 28/12/2023 10:59

'A castrated vicar, named Benedict, said: 'It's nowhere near as weird and difficult to try to become a eunuch now as it was 30 years ago.
'Now, we have doctors who don't even blink when you say you want to just remove your testicles, or just add a vagina. I never saw this coming'.'

Quote from DM article above.

What a deeply ironic quote

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 11:21

...

The Skoptsy: The story of the Russian sect that maimed for its beliefs – Russia Beyond

The word skoptsy derives from the outdated term oskopit, meaning “to castrate.” The sect members did not call themselves by this name, preferring romantic epithets such as God’s Lambs or White Doves. In their heyday the “dove” communities flourished both among the illiterate provincial peasantry and in the merchant houses of St. Petersburg.

Ritual self-castration was observed among ardent Christians long before the appearance of the sect. The most important tenet of the Skoptic faith, which inspired ancient Christian theologian and ascetic Origen to castrate himself, came from a passage in the Gospel According to Matthew: “There are castrates who were castrated by others and there are castrates who castrated themselves for the Kingdom.

feministlegal.org/the-skoptsy-the-story-of-the-russian-sect-that-maimed-for-its-beliefs-russia-beyond/

WhompingWillows · 28/12/2023 11:23

BrimfulOfMash · 28/12/2023 09:33

Two nurses and a surgeon from a London hospital involved in this.

Sickening.

This was my first thought too.

AraJingleBellScott · 28/12/2023 11:36

Ha, Warrior, I've just been reading that same Bible passage on Eunuchs.

Honestly, chaps and their endless penis obsessions.

Giggorata · 28/12/2023 11:58

Nothing connected to men's paraphilias surprises me any more.
Worries, disgusts, angers - yes.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 28/12/2023 14:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/12/2023 09:04

Anyone else get a sense of deja vu over vile things like this? Back in 2018 we were discussing someone else with a history of defending extreme porn who was also involved in dismantling women's rights via Maria Miller's misnamed Women & Equalities Committee.
Read this thread (and marvel at some of the legendary posters on there) but weep at how porn soaked males have continued to push their agenda through society and now increasingly successfully at children

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers?page=1

Thank you very much for linking that.

For anyone reading, the thread above discussed one prominent trans activist (platformed on the BBC, involved with Girl Guides, and organiser of a trans issues conference where at least one MP, Dawn Butler, spoke) and said activist's history of advocating for the legalisation of extreme pornography. Including a guide on how to delete extreme pornography from one's computer.

Other posters clarified what 'extreme pornography' legally means: in short, it's pornographic material that shows life threatening injury, bestiality, and necrophilia. So that's what one trans activist was campaigning for, when they lobbied for the UK to remove the ban.

Imagine wanting to watch someone else being permanently harmed, for the sake of your own fleeting pleasure. Well, we don't need to imagine, because Marius 'Eunuch Maker' Gustavson, has pleaded guilty to performing procedures on men's genitals and having a business livestreaming what he did. Neighbours report that ambulances were frequently seen at his house, so I don't think we need delude ourselves that no harm was done to the men.

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SidewaysOtter · 28/12/2023 15:07

That we’re actually able to discuss this shows how far we’ve come in the last few years, IMO.

People are finally starting to see that maybe just sometimes, “queer” is used as a protective shield for questionable activities. It’s the whole “don’t yuck my yum” thing, as if anything goes because to say otherwise is unprogressive and unenlightened. Well, I think some boundaries are finally being re-established, not least because this stuff is hitting the mainstream media (even if people do try to dismiss it by saying “Oh it’s the Mail, it doesn’t count”) and rightly so.

catduckgoose · 28/12/2023 15:30

When is he submitting his candidacy for Green Party MP?