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Why are tras telling children that people hate them?

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IcakethereforeIam · 27/12/2023 09:45

Article in the Critic by Victoria Smith.

https://thecritic.co.uk/stop-telling-children-the-world-hates-them/

I'm not on twitter/x, so I've been spared Georgia Tennant 's drivel. But I've read similar virtue signalling from Daniel Radcliffe and, in fact, most so-called trans allies. Do they ever actually think about they're actually saying? Anyway, Victoria Smith nails it again.

Stop telling children the world hates them – The Critic Magazine

https://thecritic.co.uk/stop-telling-children-the-world-hates-them

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Froodwithatowel · 27/12/2023 15:29

HagoftheNorth · 27/12/2023 13:51

Brianna’s family have specifically asked that her death not be treated like this. I’m not sure, in that context, what an appropriate response to IW could possibly be

I normally go with Frankie Howerd's excellent advice.

pronounsbundlebundle · 27/12/2023 15:39

It's a very immature narrative - that anyone having a difference of opinion with you and not kowtowing to your every demand 'hates' you. It's like a toddler mentality. It's not conducive to a healthy mental state.

Helleofabore · 27/12/2023 17:20

It shows just how Jeffrey Marsh can get so influential doesn’t it. It is from the handbook on how to make children feel fearful for their lives.

SamW98 · 27/12/2023 17:30

NotTerfNorCis · 27/12/2023 12:57

'The shame over causing Brianna Ghey's death is gone.' To me this is hate speech. I'm no fan of the Mail, but Brianna's death had nothing to do with the critics of genderism.

The sheer arrogance and delusion from IW calling the DM liars whilst lying continually through their teeth.
Almost everything IW comes out with is twisted hyperbolic fantasy and yet it’s everyone who doesn’t accept everything TRA as gospel that’s lying apparently

Wetandhorrible · 27/12/2023 17:33

WickedSerious · 27/12/2023 10:07

The glitter gang against the world.

Gary, perhaps?

Zodfa · 27/12/2023 17:37

Brianna Ghey appears to have suffered crippling social anxiety, thereby becoming vulnerable to two utterly crazed murderous loons. Where did that social anxiety come from in the first place? It could itself have been the result of transphobia, but not necessarily. Overblown claims of how bad transphobia is may not have helped.

Christmaswrap · 27/12/2023 18:28

*BlackeyedSusan · Today 10:28

Well...if kids are told certain people hate them, then they are going to withdraw from them or fear them...and be drawn to those who "love" them. Who benefits from kids who are isolated from family and societies protection and oversight?*
im being naive but who does? I mean I know there are glitter mums and individuals who benefit from isolating young people from their families and friends, but where has the bigger idea come from?

PatatiPatatras · 27/12/2023 19:14

To be fair, it was Disney who entrenched the parents are the baddies ideology... I think everyone else is just piggy backing off that.

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 20:21

Overblown claims of how bad transphobia is may not have helped.

I was reading a Reddit thread earlier of someone moving to the UK for a Masters, who was asking advice on their safety while over here. They - and quite a few respondents - seemed to think that violent TERFs lurk in every shadow, just waiting to attack them. It’s truly bizarre. Not once, in my years of being involved in this aspect of the women’s rights movement, have I ever seen anyone threaten trans people.

Plenty of TRAs threatening women though…

WickedSerious · 27/12/2023 20:23

Wetandhorrible · 27/12/2023 17:33

Gary, perhaps?

He's the leader.

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 20:23

im being naive but who does?

I should imagine those who have nefarious reasons for wanting access to young and/or vulnerable children.

Froodwithatowel · 27/12/2023 21:15

Christmaswrap · 27/12/2023 18:28

*BlackeyedSusan · Today 10:28

Well...if kids are told certain people hate them, then they are going to withdraw from them or fear them...and be drawn to those who "love" them. Who benefits from kids who are isolated from family and societies protection and oversight?*
im being naive but who does? I mean I know there are glitter mums and individuals who benefit from isolating young people from their families and friends, but where has the bigger idea come from?

Grooming 101.

Children whose loyalty and trust has been successfully shifted from their primary bonds and protectors of their family to someone outside of the family has become much, much more vulnerable. An isolated child who has learned not to talk or tell is a child put in a much easier position to manipulate, convince and make use of.

And the reason for an adult wishing to separate a child from those bonds and protections is usually because those bonds and protections are proving inconvenient to an adult's personal agenda with the child.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/12/2023 10:32

I think some of the adults and the children may have different motivations that feed into each other. The adults, well, some 'think' (no actual thought though) they're being kind. This is the Georgia Tennants. Their intentions are good, but we all know what the road to hell is paved with. They're not horse beauticians but they make it much, much easier for the ones who are.

The children, already vulnerable, are further isolated and easier prey for the 'glitter' family. Some will be desperate for attention and reassurance. I'm not Catholic but I've been told that when you're in the confessional you will make up or exaggerate stuff to tell the Priest. I wonder if there's an element of that. Competitive transphobia. I'm probably not explaining very well.

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LoobiJee · 28/12/2023 10:40

Another element Icake is that adults who are comfortable with monetising their own kids - eg via a screenplay which broadens out the previous focus of the production (on two high profile adult male actors) onto a wider focus involving their family /kids being on screen - are going to be comfortable with using other people’s kids for career/profile-raising purposes too.

ApocalipstickNow · 28/12/2023 18:49

There’s also a group of adult men who are at very little risk who seem to enjoy the fantasy that everyone is out to get them.

Of course, enjoying this delicious bit of cosplaying relies on over egging the risk, which when taken at face value must seem scary to young people in the middle of learning about themselves and the world.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/12/2023 19:11

I noticed the former Mayor of Malaga Bangor doing that. In one tweet agonising about being marched into camps, then posting about sourcing material for a boat he was restoring. This was before twitter went X.

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SinnerBoy · 29/12/2023 07:30

BlackeyedSusan · 27/12/2023 10:28

Who benefits from kids who are isolated from family and societies protection and oversight?

The very people who, until recently, were watched and kept as far away from children as possible.

Noorandapples · 29/12/2023 07:38

Victimhood is addictive. There have been studies that show when people are assuming they will be targeted, they interpret normal interactions as a negative interaction.

When you live your whole life like that there's a feedback loop in your brain "confirming" that you're a victim. Even though it's an incorrect perception.

Being charitable, these adults are trying to help kids not become victims without realising they risk putting them in the same victimhood mindset.

ApocalipstickNow · 29/12/2023 07:43

“No one else loves you like I do.”

”I’m the only one who understands you.”

“If you leave me you’ll have a terrible time out there, you won’t be able to cope.”

Anyone telling another human being this needs to be waving their own flag of solid red.

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ZoomerDinosaur · 31/12/2023 01:05

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 20:21

Overblown claims of how bad transphobia is may not have helped.

I was reading a Reddit thread earlier of someone moving to the UK for a Masters, who was asking advice on their safety while over here. They - and quite a few respondents - seemed to think that violent TERFs lurk in every shadow, just waiting to attack them. It’s truly bizarre. Not once, in my years of being involved in this aspect of the women’s rights movement, have I ever seen anyone threaten trans people.

Plenty of TRAs threatening women though…

I've noticed a definite belief in this danger among those who are very active in pro-trans spaces. On platforms like Tumblr, there is more fear and hatred of so-called "TERFs" than the sorts of men who engage in "queerbashing" (not necessarily trans-targeted, as it may be motivated by violent homophobia). It does make me wonder who initially fuelled this distorted view of reality and who benefits.

One former friend who identifies as nonbinary completely cut off our friendship because of a fear of what he thought I believed. No asking, mind you. I've expressed a belief in basic human rights for everybody (although I kept my terfiness very quiet), but I also asked him to educate me on the Rowling essay because I didn't understand what the problem was. And I'm a Christian who doesn't talk a great deal about my religious convictions. That was all it took to lose the friendship, literally overnight.

It makes me sad to see former friends, who have terrible anxiety anyway, being emotionally manipulated into permanent fight-or-flight responses. And while I think many TRAs do get off on hurting people, the Internet has also terrorised some into becoming frontline soldiers for the cause. Add on an increasing rhetoric in online spaces that violence can be justified and it's OK to want to murder certain people, and you end up with a lot of scared and jumpy people who don't want the baseball-bat confrontation but have been convinced it's the morally correct thing to do.

tobee · 31/12/2023 17:51

It's all very sinister. And children are being failed.

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