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Why are tras telling children that people hate them?

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IcakethereforeIam · 27/12/2023 09:45

Article in the Critic by Victoria Smith.

https://thecritic.co.uk/stop-telling-children-the-world-hates-them/

I'm not on twitter/x, so I've been spared Georgia Tennant 's drivel. But I've read similar virtue signalling from Daniel Radcliffe and, in fact, most so-called trans allies. Do they ever actually think about they're actually saying? Anyway, Victoria Smith nails it again.

Stop telling children the world hates them – The Critic Magazine

https://thecritic.co.uk/stop-telling-children-the-world-hates-them

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Circumferences · 27/12/2023 10:04

That's what religious cults do.

Froodwithatowel · 27/12/2023 10:05

There is something very wrong with choosing to tweet #youareloved at children — with an unspoken “but not by everyone”

With the unspoken 'I'm your friend, trust me and not them'. Which safeguarding recognises.

Who benefits from inculcating this paranoia?

And then behind them, we have the naive and vaguely well intentioned celebs chasing their lovely shiny image, thoughtlessly repeating this sentimental bull without any concept of the harm they leave in their wake.

https://twitter.com/georgiaEtennant/status/1737420709473685973

teawamutu · 27/12/2023 10:07

The Tennants are absolutely massive disappointments. On the list of 'appears intelligent but refuses to think as they might be the Wrong Thoughts' slebs.

WickedSerious · 27/12/2023 10:07

The glitter gang against the world.

anyolddinosaur · 27/12/2023 10:13

If you are not seen as the "most vulnerable" then people might ask more questions about why everyone has to fall over backwards to appease you. They might start to question why your wishes are so very important that no-one else matters. So you have to make children feel more vulnerable by lying to them.

ResisterRex · 27/12/2023 10:14

The c word

Villagetoraiseachild · 27/12/2023 10:21

Christmas?

Oh, that c word.....

PaleBlueMoonlight · 27/12/2023 10:24

What an insightful article.

BlackeyedSusan · 27/12/2023 10:28

Well...if kids are told certain people hate them, then they are going to withdraw from them or fear them...and be drawn to those who "love" them. Who benefits from kids who are isolated from family and societies protection and oversight?

NotTerfNorCis · 27/12/2023 11:36

Victimhood and martyrdom are a huge part of the movement. Witness the reaction to the Brianna Ghey case and the insistence from the start that Brianna MUST have been killed for being trans, and all trans people should live in fear. Or the 'transgender day of remembrance' when in fact trans people are statistically less likely to be murdered in the UK than everyone else. It's what drives the venom against gender critical people - we're seen as an existential threat.

unwashedanddazed · 27/12/2023 11:53

The r/transgenderuk sub reddit is full of people claiming they are scared to go out because terf island is full of people just waiting to attack them. They wind each other up with their own fears and dream of escaping to friendlier countries like Canada.

They proclaim every news outlet transphobic, even the guardian and especially the BBC. Only Pink News is to be trusted.

It's like an alternative reality that they reinforce over and over with lies and deliberate misinterpretations. The levels of mental illness they induce in each other is tragic to see amongst what seem to be mainly young people.

pronounsbundlebundle · 27/12/2023 12:09

Isn't making children afraid of things that aren't true often part of grooming?

Froodwithatowel · 27/12/2023 12:16

It's like an alternative reality that they reinforce over and over with lies and deliberate misinterpretations.

Yes. And the repeated message that anyone who is not unconditionally indulgent and enabling is to be feared, and your enablers will protect you from - well. Other people, other views, other ideas, challenges, questions - because they 'love you'.

That is a kind of love that children should be taught to be very, very suspicious of.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 27/12/2023 12:18

Everyone hates you. Even your family. Especially your family.
We looooove you. One we love you.

One of us. One of us.

ancientnames · 27/12/2023 12:32

Of all the lies TRAs tell, this is the one I find most despicable.

To tell already vulnerable children, a lie that there is a group of people who hate them, which is a lie to suit adult propaganda, is despicable, harmful and utterly irresponsible.

It’s one of the first things I discovered when I started to find out about this whole issue and was looking at both sides. It’s one of the things that made me realize gender ideology is actually really pernicious, as well as utterly dishonest.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 27/12/2023 12:43

That utter drivel from Georgia.

What happens when the kid hits puberty and wants to back away from the nonsense but can't as it's been made so public.

They want the kids to be constantly fearful and afraid of their own shadows.

Froodwithatowel · 27/12/2023 12:45

It is one of the most upsetting parts of all this to me: all the adults busy using children, who are always particularly vulnerable ones, for their own agendas and to meet their own needs.

The needs being met vary enormously from 'look at me, I'm lovely' and feeling adored and needed, to feeling progressive and involved in something righteous and exciting, to a whole lot of grimmer ones. But the common factor is that it is always about the adult and their experience using the child. It is never, ever, about the best interests of the child.

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 12:52

This is something I’ve long wondered about. I had (note the past tense) a friend who was absolutely convinced that a Tory government/Brexit/impending fascism meant we were all going to end up dead. He also bought into the idea that trans people were under attack, that democracy is under attack, pretty much everything was under attack, really. He was utterly hysterical about it.

I struggle to understand where this paranoia comes from but I do think there is a cohort of people, mostly younger but not all, who genuinely cannot understand or bear to hear an opinion other than their own. There is no nuance, no middle ground, there is only good and pure, or evil and violence. They don’t know how to debate or rationalise or even come up with their own opinion by looking at all facets of an issue, so they allow someone else to tell them what’s right then cling on to it like a religion.

Of course, as soon as you ask for an example or explanation the argument falls apart and that’s usually where the hyperbolic namecalling comes in but it absolutely does not help when people who should know better are pushing the “under attack” narrative, presumably to prove their own good and pure credentials.

I think there’s also quite a lot of kids who have poor social skills, who live online in pastel anime worlds etc, so it’s hardly surprising that they struggle with the real world. They don’t fit in, they feel “othered” and easily swallow the “You’re hated” line as an explanation for why they feel like outsiders.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/12/2023 12:57

'The shame over causing Brianna Ghey's death is gone.' To me this is hate speech. I'm no fan of the Mail, but Brianna's death had nothing to do with the critics of genderism.

Why are tras telling children that people hate them?
teawamutu · 27/12/2023 13:35

I don't know if Willoughby is genuinely demented or so breathtakingly self-serving that every 'no' feels like an eradication attempt.

I'm not sure which would be worse.

HagoftheNorth · 27/12/2023 13:51

Brianna’s family have specifically asked that her death not be treated like this. I’m not sure, in that context, what an appropriate response to IW could possibly be

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 27/12/2023 14:01

‘This reminded me of a book by Eric Hoffer called "The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements." He argues that mass movements can "rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil."

MadeOfAllWork · 27/12/2023 14:08

What I never understand is that secondary school teachers will have undergone Prevent training. Can’t they see that so much of this is similar?

TheAntiGardener · 27/12/2023 14:17

This is something I have wondered about for a very long time so am pleased to see an article on the topic. The most immediate effects of writing off all GC views as motivated by hatred for me as a GC woman is a frustration that people don’t seem to be able to really listen to each other any longer and a fear that logic has gone out of the window.

But every so often, I wonder about the harm it does to people (especially young people) being constant told that people with certain views hate you and wish you didn’t exist when this just isn’t true. Not that I’m saying transphobia doesn’t exist, of course, but it’s not the same as believing sex-based distinctions are meaningful and valuable.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/12/2023 14:22

It's a form of social grooming designed to make the young feel isolated from their families & communities. To feel fragile and alone.
It's appalling, dangerous behaviour on the part of certain adults and is aided and abetted by a captured social media.

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