Liz Fraser’s actions speak louder than words. Earlier this year we asked the question, Is Liz Fraser truly helping all women or just herself? We concluded, just herself. What do you think?

[Variedviews]

Liz Fraser boldly proclaims her mission to help women lead their best lives, presenting herself as a parenting expert, novelist and travel writer with wanderlust.

However, this prompts questions about whether she actively monetises these claims, potentially leading vulnerable individuals astray.

When one positions themselves as an expert in the public domain, people reasonably expect scrutiny and dialogue regarding their views and actions.

People have raised concerns about her Substack subscription promises not being fulfilled, potentially breaching consumer protection laws. This ongoing discussion aims to safeguard women from potential exploitation by someone in a privileged position.

Liz Fraser’s privilege, including her race, class, attractiveness, financial support, education and freedom from financial burdens, has granted her a prominent voice. This discussion explores whether her privileged position overshadows the voices of marginalised women.

Recent revelations about her personal life, including alleged affairs with married men and hurtful actions towards their spouses, have raised ethical concerns about her character and credibility as an influencer.

To assess the validity of her recent posts, it’s crucial to separate her personal life from her public work. Her public work being anything she advocates for direct or indirect financial returns.

This discussion seeks to comprehend the objectivity and authenticity of her work in areas such as domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running and holistic well-being.

It focuses on her recent postings without mentioning ex-partners or children by name and aims to ensure that all women have a voice beyond Liz Fraser.

Your voice is valid. You deserve to be listened to.

Never heard of her. You seem quite invested OP.

Your dissertation needs an introduction to explain who the fuck Liz Fraser is.

Excellent. I was looking for a new thread. Thanks

@BettyFilous if you’ve not heard of her this is of no interest to you I guess. There are lots of other threads to follow. And yes, I’m invested in this. Feel free to ask me any questions.

@AlisonDonut, as mentioned to @BettyFilous, if you don’t know her then there is no need to concern yourself. You seem rather angry today. Can I help?

Link to previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4937436-is-liz-fraser-helping-all-women-or-just-herself

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4937436-is-liz-fraser-helping-all-women-or-just-herself

The thing is, @Variedviews , you open the thread as though it’s about someone really significant. You make serious accusations about them, as though you hold them to a high standard because they are a role model.

Without the context of who they are it’s hard to have an opinion.

It sounds serious , but if her influence is so limited then is it really serious?

Oh ok, lots of previous threads.

Can you just summarise who she is and why it matters what she thinks or does?

Never heard of her. If you care this much about someone you don’t like perhaps there are better things you could be doing with your life?

What’s with the swearing you are as bad as her she likes the f word

@pickledandpuzzled if I could edit the intro I would, but I can’t. I wish I could because I’m going to get abuse all day now!

Those who know her and have been affected by her know. She’s a writer and broadcaster. BBC, ITV, The Times, Daily Mail, etc. She’s ambassador of the National Centre for Domestic Violence NCDV. She’s crowd funded several businesses but not launched them. The Latest, Edgeways Press.

She wrote this book and has traded off in for the past few years. It’s very loosely the truth. Very loosely.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B09GG8YFXB/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_viewopt_srt?sortBy=recent&pageNumber=1

@WorkingItOutAsIGo you could apply this principle to yourself. Why did you comment?

“Those who know her and have been affected by her know. She’s a writer and broadcaster. BBC, ITV, The Times, Daily Mail, etc. She’s ambassador of the National Centre for Domestic Violence NCDV. She’s crowd funded several businesses but not launched them. The Latest, Edgeways Press. “

That does sound poor.
In what way are people ‘affected’ by her?

Generally people who are arseholes get found out eventually. I would just recognise they are a hypocrite and stop engaging, but obviously that’s easier for people who haven’t been impacted.

Is she influencing people to do things that are bad for them?

I’m aware of direct influencers who are very unwell- that worries me. When people encourage others to be a fruitarian for example.

The context has helped. However, the OP sounds like a tribunal and an invitation to heap opprobrium on someone. Almost like an author dishing out bad reviews for other authors (that recent case of the young wannabe author who did that).

I did recognise the name but see my own username as to why.

I couldn't begin to participate in this thread. It feels like an assault on the author rather than an appropriate scrutiny of safeguarding or the actions of the NCDV in appointing her as an ambassador. See other odd decisions about women ambassadors (UN Women UK). And, she's obviously relatable and people see her story as a redemptive arc.

Wasn't she in the Carry On films ?

Do you know her then?

If you do, why not pick up the phone and give her a call and sort it out between you rather than rant about her on here?

topnoddy

I like the stuff she did with the Cocteau Twins.

She follows a similar model to Jack Monroe.

She cried funds under false pretences.
She operates a blog subscription model, but never delivers.
She claims to be a long time victim of domestic violence but forgets to mention that the men she had relationships with who allegedly abused her were her friend’s husbands.
The book, Coming Clean, is apparently a love story. In her book, she claims she didn’t know the man, the father of her fourth child, was an alcoholic when she entered into a relationship with him. She says she didn’t even know what an alcoholic was.

Yet she’d been to the wedding of this man to his wife just months before and was counselling his wife about his drinking. She went to the wedding with her husband and three children. At this time she was in a long term, later it turns out to be toxic, relationship with the husband of another friend.

She left husband and 3 children to live with the newly wed alcoholic. They then Almost Immediately had a baby then leaving the 3 older children in Cambridge, moved to Venice. Neither had jobs there or knew anyone.

Long story short, it’s as far from the love story presented in the book, marketed by Bloomsbury or that has been the foundation to Liz’s money making schemes of the past few years.

To get financial contributions from hoodwinked, often DA victims, she’s claimed to be homeless. Unable to afford to feed her children or heat her house. The whole time living 10 minutes from her multimillion pound parents, owning two properties outright, renting these out snd in the past year alone, holidaying 10+ times. When her partner sobered up and left, she set about destroying him and then his new partners reputation. For whatever reasons, her ex was too untrustworthy to see their daughter for almost two years yet something recently happened and this was overturned snd she now is mostly with her father.

LF claims to have illnesses. In the last year even claiming her life is ebbing away snd then suddenly it’s not. All the while, innocent people but into her, give donations, but er books, rent her flat. Fine if they’re getting a return from this they’re happy with, but most aren’t. Almost all the people in the group have been stung by her.

like any thread on Mumsnet, this won’t be of interest to everyone. What we are is a community of women helping those without a voice.

As said, if it's a bit baffling, then go to other threads. There are lots of them that have 'regulars' who like to chat about stuff that has impacted their lives.
We do on these threads. If you want to catch up and join in, that's also fine.

Wrong Liz Fraser. That Liz Fraser is a legend.

@AlisonDonut, people have tried to.

I’d never heard of her, either. She sounds ghastly. But lots of people (including famous people, business people, writers) are. The world is full of writers making up bullshit, people exploiting other peoples’ weaknesses to make money and ‘self help’ frauds.

I think if your end game is to stop her exploiting vulnerable people into giving her their money you are best to look at what she has actually done that’s illegal and report it to the relevant authorities.

Otherwise, this is just a personal attack and serves no real purpose other than venting.

I’ve never heard of her. Sounds like a chaotic life, despite the money.

Gosh MN is judgmental today. If you don't know (/of) her, scroll on by.

Thanks for starting the new thread OP. Freedom of speech is important, esp when used to expose those who solicit money from strangers without being entirely truthful.