Finally: Gender questioning children: draft schools and colleges guidance

[WarriorN]

Gender questioning children: draft schools and colleges guidance

consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/

From the draft guidance:

"Schools must not allow a child, aged 11 years or older, to change or wash in front of a child of the opposite sex, nor should they be subject to a child of the opposite sex changing or washing in front of them".

Please explain exactly why you disagree with this @Tandora .

What do you mean by "trans"?

Explain to me what you think is wrong with washing in front of the opposite sex?

And why wouldn't you use the word transsexual for these children @Tandora ?

Have you ever met any teenage boys?

A person whose gender does not match their sex registered at birth.

What is anti-women about guidance that preserves single sex spaces and contact sports?

What is anti-gay about giving children who might be coming to terms with their sexuality freedom from putting themselves on a pathway that involves a lifetime of health issues?

@Tandora that was for

Why do you think teenage girls should get undressed in front of teenage boys? Why do you think teenage boys should be allowed to expose themselves to teenage girls?

What do you mean by "gender"?

That definition depends on a universally understood and accepted definition of gender. Which doesn't exist. Trans is not an empirically verifiable concept.

What is your concern exactly?

just because there’s a growing movement of people who refuse to accept basic science, doesn’t mean that gender doesn’t exist. Everyone has a gender - including you - it’s how you know what sex you are.

What is your concern exactly? Go on,… please spell it out for me…

Everyone has a gender - including you - it’s how you know what sex you are.

Bullshit.

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Sex is biologically defined. What is gender and what is its relationship to sex?

I know I shouldn't feed you, but..... it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks. Humans have a pretty well universal taboo against mixed sex nudity, toileting etc. So breaking it will at best result in self-exclusion by some vulnerable people.

Do you believe that there would be no harm to women and girls if everything which is currently single-sex were to become mixed sex?

Prisons
Sports
Changing rooms
etc.

@Tandora

How can you tell which teens will be permanently trans, given that studies show 80% of such children claiming a trans identity desist if they are just left to work it out without encouragement to change their identity?

Don't you think that if we tell children that if they think they might be trans because they are gender non conforming they are likely to be trans, put a ban on exploring the options ("conversion therapy") and demonise people who might try to explore with the child any factors that might have influenced their decisions before leaping to conclusions (or putting kids on hormones), then you're going to end up with a proportion of people who later regret doing irreversible damage to their bodies?

Don't you think that, if there is a good chance that a child might accept their body in time without surgical intervention then that is a far preferable outcome to sterilisation and a surgically managed future? If not, why not?

How do you explain the fact that such terrifying tyrant states as Finland and Sweden are no longer letting children transition and are abandoning affirmation led models, because the data does not support it leading to positive outcomes?

I know what sex I am because I have a female body with breasts and a vagina that menstruates and has been pregnant. I don't have a gender. It's made up. It's fake science. It's nonsense.

So you don’t like it because it’s “taboo” ? So it’s basic (hetero)sexual prudishness?

@Tandora

1. i would be mortified when i was a teenager to be expected to wash change out toilet in the same space as a boy.
2. I still would be as an adult human female
3. you keep mixing up sex and gender. Gender means the social indicators such as clothing, interests and hobbies, occupations and other societal norms we are expected to abide by. Sex is a biological term for a person who is either male or female
4. Trans has no specific meaning.
5. Children are not fully formed and are learning as they develop towards adulthood we should not be assigning or guiding them in one direction or another about their sexuality.

So you believe that boys should be allowed to enter girls' changing rooms so that they can expose themselves and watch the girls undressing.

It's an interesting viewpoint. I assume you're male.

So everyone who doesn't want to get naked with random strangers of the opposite sex is a prude?

An interesting viewpoint. But not one which is shared by most of the population.