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Young Vic theatre: gender neutral loos... with urinals

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PotteringPondering · 12/12/2023 23:31

Others have commented here on venues where the loos are gender neutral, with open urinals. But I hadn't seen it up close myself till this evening.

It was at London's Young Vic theatre. The loo choice is Gender Neutral With Cubicles, or Gender Neutral With Cubicles & Urinals.

Of course, this basically means women's loos and men's loos. Except that's not what it says on the doors. And if With Cubicles is busy, the clear message is that women should use With Cubicles & Urinals.

But in With Cubicles & Urinals, any woman heading for a cubicle has to walk past rows of men standing peeing into urinals.

This is farcical. So much indignity and embarrassment; so much that's utterly inappropriate. All because of a stupid cultural fad. I'm fuming.

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OceanicBoundlessness · 22/12/2023 16:17

Daisies12 · 14/12/2023 13:48

Well don't go there again, if you dont' like it. And thank god, I'd rather not share the theatre with someone who think this is worth getting angry over.

You share all sort of spaces with all sorts of people, unknowingly.
A friend was once alone in her section of a library with 3 known sex offenders.

Merrymouse · 22/12/2023 21:16

I think this is possibly discriminatory because the effect is that there is less provision for women.

Even if you are happy to use a gender neutral cubicle, it is not normal in our culture for a woman to be close to a strange man using a urinal.

Merrymouse · 22/12/2023 21:21

Also in any space where there are urinals and cubicles that ANYONE can use, by default there is more provision for men.

GameofPhones · 22/12/2023 21:51

How long before the legal argument comes up that, because a woman entered toilets with men's urinals, she thereby consented to be in the presence of naked male genitalia?

Keenovay · 10/03/2025 01:20

Keenovay · 22/12/2023 13:29

Room Six (music venue in Glasgow) has "unisex" toilets but it's the same deal - cubicles in one and urinals/cubicles in the other with poor or non-existent signage. I couldn't see any signage at all on my first and only visit there. I was literally beckoned inside the toilet by a male attendant as I hovered, confused, at the entrance. When I entered I saw a row of guys at urinals and I turned on my heel. It was such a visceral, automatic reaction to feeling I was in the wrong place. When I found the separate cubicled loo, and was washing my hands, the same scenario was repeated but with a female attendant who waved a group of regular looking guys inside saying, "It's unisex!" They looked uncertain as they could see me at the basins. This bullshit makes a mockery of years of evidence about toilet provision/waiting times for men and women. I was unnerved and pissed off by the experience and wrote to the club afterwards, saying the lack of clear signage serves nobody - including trans women customers who allegedly can't share toilets with men for their own safety! I got no reply.

Update: I revisited Room 2, Glasgow recently (not Room Six, sorry - got name wrong in my original post) and saw that their loos now have stuck-on A4-paper men and ladies signs. Guess I can't have been the only one complaining.

AnSolas · 10/03/2025 08:08

Keenovay · 10/03/2025 01:20

Update: I revisited Room 2, Glasgow recently (not Room Six, sorry - got name wrong in my original post) and saw that their loos now have stuck-on A4-paper men and ladies signs. Guess I can't have been the only one complaining.

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Or some one went after their licence on building regs /discrimination grounds.

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