Mixed High school changing rooms

[BorgQueen]

Lisa Keogh on twitter/X has written that a Scottish High school she visited last week has mixed Sex changing rooms for PE and swimming.
If that’s true it’s horrific, not to mention illegal - why aren’t the parents and students kicking up a huge fuss about it?
Most Girls don’t want to strip off in front of other Girls, let alone pubescent Boys.
How would they be able to stop pictures being taken ? why wouldn’t OFSTED be all over this safeguarding failure?

In my DS school a number of classes did PE at the same time. It seemed sensible timetabling as they needed enough pupils to set up various team sports. Changing rooms were single sex and all open plan. There would be no way they could fit enough cubicles for everyone to use. As people have said schools are not leisure centres or Centre Parcs which are typically set up for family use - so provide for the target customers. All of those I’ve used still have their toilets separated by sex. It’s not all leisure centre’s either, ours which is probably 5 years old has single sex changing rooms (with family rooms).

There are sometimes mixed sex toilets in Finland now (but most of the time I've seen them its been an option alongside the single sex ones, but at least once I've been to a place with only mixed sex loos) but absolutely no mixed sex changing rooms, people would throw a fit if they tried to get rid of the single sex changing rooms at swimming pools etc.

They don't change for PE at all in my DD's primary school though, so its only swimming when they're in a changing situation and then its strictly single sex.
The upper school changing rooms connect via the showers though so I don't know how they sort that out for changing, I think there's two sets of connecting ones so hopefully the boys are in one set and the girls in another.

Because child safeguarding is everyone's concern in a civilised society.

@Scarletttulips

why do you say that? It’s a basic human right, surely. Why would you challenge that?

Mixed sex changing with separate cubicles - doesn't everyone know the teenage boys will be putting their phones under,over the doors? Any little chink that they can see through?
Seriously? People are arguing it's fine, it's non of our business... Good grief.

There was some report some time back of how school girls are harassed by the boys - from bra strap twanging to lewd comments, fake insta accounts etc etc.

We are just training them to be ready for grownup life.

This is LITERALLY the first thing you learn in even the most introductory safeguarding training, and it’s repeated over and over again so it really sinks in:

Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6124077/Ninety-cent-sexual-assaults-public-swimming-pools-happen-unisex-changing-rooms.html

why do you say that? It’s a basic human right, surely. Why would you challenge that?

Youve taken it out of context - if a school has split changing rooms and it has been for the dawn of time - then why would anyone outside the school be interested in making them mixed and insisting this is an issue?

Who is pushing this mixed changing rooms in schools? I want the bigger picture.

Exactly. Even in these so-called changing villages, in leisure centres, there is still single-sex provision for school parties.

The girls do woodwork while the boys do PE and then the boys do woodwork when the girls do PE.....

Parents need to boycot and march to the Education Offices.
SNP are going to be wiped out at the next election. It doesn't seem to occur to them that this sort of stuff has destroyed them.

In Spain I can only comment on local swimming pool. Changing rooms . Men. Fathers with Children. Mothers with children. Women. All have open changing areas with some cubicles. Very safe. Ideal really

Privacy does not correlate with safety.

The standard response to having mixed sex areas such as toilets is to increase privacy - ‘then it’s ok’. It’s a response repeated through designs such as on the post pictured.

Floor to ceiling doors and partitions reduce safety.

If you prioritise privacy over safety by taking out the door gaps (at the top and bottom of cubicle doors) three things happen:

1. You are discriminating against people at their most vulnerable - those with medical conditions who are more likely to collapse. Such as children with heart conditions, diabetes, epilepsy, asthma. And those people who have an acute emergency such as a heart attack, aneurysm, medical reaction. This is because you can’t see the person has collapsed and it could be a long time before they are found. The government knows time is of the essence, as there’s a defibrillator in every school, yet these private designs thwart rescue in the very place people go to when they are feeling ill.
2. By creating private mixed sex spaces, the potential for the number of assaults will go rise. People don’t like being seen by witnesses so gaps prevent attacks. Already in 2015 it was noted that there was at least one reported rape inside a British school premises each school day. Schools do not need to create more private mixed sex spaces.
3. Hygiene will be compromised unless there’s lots more time and money spent on mechanical ventilation, and cleaning. Reduced air flows mean you will be more likely to catch the bugs from previous occupants. If there is vomit etc on the floor, it’s much less easy to slosh disinfectant around and mop.

This is a shorter version of what I normally post because the evidence list is very much longer. This hyperlink is a good article I have come across showing the reality and many problems with these toilets in schools.