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There is a thread on AIBU but I am surprised we are not talking about it here. There has been clearly a lot of individual and mob violence taking place. Women should be out on the streets in solidarity against male violence. Has anything been planned for 25 th November already? No racist/ nationalist signs should be there. Just about the male terrorism that is happening everywhere. Let’s name it.

Not completely sure that a group of women going into a crowd of het-up, frenzied blokes who are smashing up shop windows and breaking into cars, telling them "you are the problem" is the best idea.....

If avoid it like the plague.
Let the male thugs show themselves up.

So nothing happening there for the 25 November then? Why not?

I feel like I'm missing something? What's the significance of 25th Nov?

From footage I've seen there were plenty of young ladies involved too! The courts had 4 up before them this morning.

No idea what the 25th is about. The issue is the far right ideology filling the usual disorganised scum bags, wrangling up the Muppets to some sort of organised chaos.

There has always been a layer of pure waste of space and now they have an organised band who have an agenda.

Yesterdays attack should be the focus and identifying how this could happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if it involves an impact from our ongoing lack of MH services.

International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women / White Ribbon Day / the beginning of the 16 Days of Action.

Although I have no idea why ultra-right mob violence in Dublin is being dragged into it.

I'm sure that there were plenty of right-wing thugs there, but the media framing it as "far-right" is diverting the attention from why everyone is angry.

Antifa have a very similar playbook. Are they "far-right" too?

These are just thugs looking for a huge fight

The ones rioting are absolute scum whose main objective is to cause destruction. They probably couldn't point out Sligo on a map of Ireland.

They are the type that doesn't need a reason to be angry! They simply want a fight, pure scum.

People who have legitimate grievance protest respectfully outside the Dail on a daily basis! We are a country who are proud of our ability to engage peacefully and successfully in bringing about change.

I hope every last one of them is named, shamed and severely punished.

My understanding of the 25th it is predominantly online webinars etc. I haven't heard of any events.

Didn't know that the people using this as an excuse to loot the sports shops of the latest trainers are "far-right".

As someone said above, they are just thugs that will latch onto anything to cause a bit of violence and robbery.

Calling everything "far-right" (like feminism gets called by TRAs) means that it loses meaning.

I did see about the violence in Dublin and have obviously heard various news people giving their analysis of why, and so on.

But as other posters have said, as it seems any type of action (not always violence) seem to let usually young men, but not always, firebomb police cars, raid sports shops etc., cant see why women would want to try and police that. Although where I am locally during the last "riots" a woman made a name for herself for going out on the streets and challenging the men acting like hooligans.

But what I would hope is that women in Dublin, or wider, would try and find out why a violent man armed with a knife attacked a very young girl and her teacher. WtF? Not sure if this was a family dispute, or some random man who shouldn't have been out on the streets.

So and it may be happening, nothing to stop women in Dublin holding a silent vigil, or march tomorrow, to challenge how something like this could ever have happened.

There must be some focal point where candles could be lit, without having to do some big planning operation.

And in terms of 25th November, there are a number of events happening round the UK. Some organised by local Rape Crisis centres, some by local authorities. List here, some women only, some not. But could be an opportunity to meet other women in your area. I asked on another thread and said is there a badge or symbol you cant wear to alter other women to the fact that you are GC? Suffragette Ribbons?
http://www.womensgrid.org.uk/?p=23301

Where así live there are always local events in the small towns plus huge women’s demonstrations against male violence on or around 25 th November. Despite the reports of a few women getting involved it looks like male violence to me and I think women should absolutely call it out.

I can't see Dublin civilian women taking it upon themselves to investigate this horrific crime; we'll leave that up to the Gardaí. There is nothing to suggest that this man was known to the victims. Most information is rumour at this point, but it seems accepted that it was a random frenzy and the children's teacher stepped in to stop it and was badly injured in the process.

I'm really not getting the link to Irish women in this, or how we have any more of a responsibility to do something than anyone else. Plus I think the last thing our Gardaí and council needs is more public gatherings, they're still clearing out the burnt out buses, cars and trams and are down dozens of injured members.

to investigate

Who talked about investigating?!!!!!

The context is that every year the 25th November is the start of the 16 Days of Activism Against Violence Against Women.

A woman and some children were stabbed by a man.

In any number of neighbourhoods of large cities or in small towns, random acts of violence by men against women would be marked by some sort of vigil. Or a Reclaim the Night.

I am not attempting to say what women in Dublin should or should not do.

I was just saying, that as happens all round the world, not just western countries, women organise themselves to protest against violence against women. ie like a man with a knife attacking a creche worker and some of the children in her care.

And specifically on 25th November - The International Day for the End of Violence Against Women - which as this recent stabbing indicates, is still needed.

Thank youIwantToRetire . Yes why wouldn’t women want to show resistance and solidarity in these circumstances? I am really not sure why on these boards , women do not know about November 25 and putting down those of us that do . What else is going on here?

There also used to be something known as Reclaim the Night and Take back the streets….

There also used to be something known as Reclaim the Night and Take back the streets….

Well there still is, that's why I post the link to the calendar of events for the 16 Days of Action Against Violence Against Women. But it is a UK calendar.

So then I went and did a search for women's events in Dublin, and couldn't find anything. Not even a formal local council event which quite a few do in the UK because it is a UN thing, and all they need to do is hand out a few white ribbons and make concerned speeches.

I couldn't even find a feminist network. I am sure there is one, because I have seen posts on here.

But very strange, as even the main stream papers usually have photos, because in some other countries, there are usually really huge marches.

Or have all women's groups in the Republic been captured by trans, so having a day for women would of course not be acknowledged.

There’s nothing on the National Women’s Council website - sadly they are TWAW; so even if they were to promote The International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women they would be including the male kind of “woman” in that. And as we all know, that variety of “including” is invariably in fact “centring”.

To be clear, when I say “they” I do not mean the ordinary members of the organisations that make up the NWCI - it was targeted by TRAs (with a name like that how could it not be?!) & one of the Exec has been chair of the TENI board of directors for 9 years. Of course, while they mightn’t have time for IDEVAW they find time to mark trans day of remembrance - & have done since at least 2020, when said board member was appointed.

I have noticed the media use the term far right and I don’t think it means what they think it means, but saying that I’m not sure what they mean by it either. Very few people are right wing or left wing as very few people are ideological.

To me far right ijust means ethnic nationalism/national socialism. Why are the rioters far right? What makes them this? What are they even rioting about because I genuinely have no idea? I would be surprised if there is any ideological thought behind any rioting though.

I would describe myself as right of the Conservative Party, does this make me far right and if so why is that a bad thing? Are people to the left of the Labour Party far left and bad too?

@NitroNine I think woman's aid is heading it up here and it's online webinars.

I don't see the Garda wanting any gatherings for a while. There is a huge clean up going on and still people in critical condition following the attack.

I do remember the reclaim the night marches but I think we held them at a different time of year.

It's a United Nations thing, started in 2000. I'm against violence against women, children, men, animals etc etc etc any day of the year. And not as impressed by the UN as I was when I was young.

What happened in Dublin had complex roots. Conor McDonough, who lives and works on the other side of Parnell Square from where it happened had an interesting short WTwitter thread -
https://twitter.com/ConorMcDonough4/status/1727831337787162999

a couple of quotes from it:

When I hear people shout 'close the borders' I think of the immigrants I know, who are committed to the common good of this city, who are hard working, who volunteer to care for Dublin's homeless, who pray in our church, who love this country.

When I hear people label the rioters 'far right' I think of the young people I know here, many of whom were surely on the streets tonight. I think of their despair, their frustration, their anxiety, their habitual escapism through drugs and momentary thrills.

Malé terrorism largely.

The maniac who attacked those women and children was disarmed by a Brazilian delivery driver assisted by a local woman .
The mob are not far right per se. But far right agitators will attach themselves of course. Just as they try to hijack GC protests eg at libraries.

Shame on the National Women's Council . And the rest of the opaque alphabet soup of Quangos and NGOs whose acronyms I can't recall or fathom.

Apologies I misunderstood when you said women should find out why he did what he did. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction, it's been a strange few days.

I think in general we're all very much in shock at what has happened over the entirety of Thursday. But in terms of men's violence against women I know for me that's not where my mind went first. This was unfortunately so much more sinister, it was an attack on children; their teacher was injured because she bravely put herself between the attacker and the children. It's unfathomable.

After the events on Thursday night I don't think anyone would look sympathetically on any groups gathering in response, other than perhaps those with an anti-racism message. Though again I don't think the Gardaí want any public gatherings for the foreseeable, it would only attract the vermin.

I've never heard of anything on the 25th November, I don't think it's been made much of here but it may just be that I've never seen it. Though sadly we are very much lacking decent feminist organisations that continue to fight for women, and any that do are still grassroots.

I’m not sure what happened in Parnell Square fits well into a campaign against male violence, in the usual sense.

what happened was appalling, and yes a man committed an attack of terrible violence but I suspect not a case of an abusive ex attacking his children but a very mentally unwell man having a psychotic episode.