Ministers finally agree guidance on trans pupils

[WarriorN]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12776337/Schools-discouraged-letting-pupils-change-pronouns-ministers-toughen-long-overdue-transgender-guidance.html

"PUPILS should be allowed to identify as the opposite sex only in very limited circumstances, schools will be told under strict new rules.

Long-overdue transgender guidance will establish a ‘presumption against’ young people changing their names, pronouns and uniforms in classrooms, the Mail can reveal today.

It will also ensure that parents are informed if their children tell staff they want to change their gender identity because many schools are keeping them in the dark.

Headteachers will be told to abide by existing laws including the Equality Act and must keep boys’ and girls’ toilets, changing rooms and sports separate."

"Headteachers will be told to abide by existing laws including the Equality Act and must keep boys' and girls' toilets, changing rooms and sports separate."

Excellent.

Finally!

I know we should be jubilant, but I'm just so annoyed that it ever got to this. Who are these people that think it's OK to do this to children ffs.

Finally - really?

Given how many approved leaks have been given to the DM or the DT to test the water, I'll believe it when they publish it.

The Government is probably waiting to see what Stonewall says in response and how many Tory MPs back them (Stonewall).

It is due to go to ‘write-round’ for other Cabinet ministers to agree on soon and will finally see the light of day before schools break up for Christmas.

Yep! I'll believe it when I actually see it! That article is still a little too vague for my likening.

However, if it is true... About bloody time!

Yes, agree with pp, I'm taking nothing for granted until something is actually published by the government.

Just wish this had been in place before. So many children lied to and confused by progressive teachers. I am so angry.

Yes I'm furious too.

This sounds good though?

I mean pretty much what is needed

Following for it again.

”PUPILS should be allowed to identify as the opposite sex only in very limited circumstances”

Sovereign is he who makes the exception.

Now in reality, in practice, who will decide what these “very limited circumstances” are?

Making it mandatory to tell parents would worry me. I agree that they should know in the vast majority of cases but some children are at risk of abuse if their parents find out they want to change their gender identity.

Shouldn't there be room for discretion if teachers feel like telling parents puts the child at risk of harm?

Maybe it should only be when it has been proved beyond all doubt that the child has literally been "born in the wrong body" (i.e. never).

If this is the case then standard protocols should be followed similar to any other circumstances in which the child is suspected or known to be at risk of abuse from their parents.

I'm guessing here but if teachers fear that the child would be at risk then the school should involve Social Services.

Definitely sounds promising.... Although we've been here before with the interminably imminent guidance.

The exceptional circumstances need to be understood further. Sounds like a potential loophole.

@OldCrone and @JanesLittleGirl I would agree that existing protocols (inc social services) are already available if a child is deemed to be at risk from harm at home.

They have to leave room for exceptions otherwise they'd need to change the law and they don't want to have to do that as it would get messy.

As for 'must keep boys and girls toilets separate' that would be interesting as many schools now have unisex toilets and saying that they have to change them back could be an issue. It's more likely, I think, that they will say that there has to be single sex provision as well as any unisex provision.

This group of vulnerable children are not exempt from safeguarding (no matter how much the trans lobby would like them to be).
Schools have well established protocols for dealing with all children who are at risk of significant harm and use them for all children.

It's a naive idea that some adults in schools can keep secrets for this oh so special group that plays straight into the hands of predatory adults who promote keeping secrets with children from the adults who care for them. It needs to be called out every time it's suggested.

No children are ever exempt from safeguarding !

They have to leave room for exceptions otherwise they'd need to change the law and they don't want to have to do that as it would get messy.

Exceptions to what? What law would they have to change?

Presumably they're hoping to avoid legal challenge? We know that trans activists have relentlessly targeted children and schools with every discussion about them being swerved into discussions about adult demands.

We must return to seeing children as needing safeguarding from age inappropriate concepts (and adults attempting to breach their boundaries). Children are not mini adults - psychologically or physically.

There are no trans children. Children are male or female, some will suffer discomfort with their developing body due to sexuality/body image & need support, but there is no such thing as a trans child.

If they aren’t actually going to change anything at school, then they don’t need to tell potentially abusive parents anything.

Shouldn't there be room for discretion if teachers feel like telling parents puts the child at risk of harm?

This is assuming it's akin to a sexual orientation; this is a mental health condition with (currently) the potential for serious life changing medical interventions.

There's no other health condition that would result in teachers not informing parents.

I'm assuming that exceptions may be around those who are under GIDs and it's deemed appropriate? (Perhaps part of the trials?)

After my rant 😅 It is a relief to see this finally reaching publication. But there will be a massive row - trans lobby groups have had completely free access to schools (often funded by the DfE, local authorities etc) so the idea that there are age inappropriate aspects to this will be a shock to young clueless activist adults in schools and all the unions will be in difficulties given their unthinking Stonewall allegiances.