Conversion therapy bill tabled

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67337887

'A proposed ban on conversion therapy in the UK, which would introduce unlimited fines for those found guilty, has been put forward in the House of Lords.
Baroness Burt has tabled a Private Members' Bill proposing a UK-wide ban, which will now be debated next year.'
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The Lib Dem peer says the proposed new law aims to "robustly differentiate" between genuine psychological or religious practice, and conversion therapy practices, to protect legitimate therapies and prayer.
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But it is far from guaranteed that it will be passed. The proposal will have to go through several rounds of voting in the House of Lords and, if it receives enough support, would then pass to the House of Commons for MPs to debate and vote upon.'

Has it got time to go through before the next election anyway?

The proposed new law aims to "robustly differentiate" between genuine... religious practice

Isn't the "religious practice" part the essence of conversion therapy?

Could be good to see more debate on it.

It won't pass. It's just cosplaying at being a real MP by the Lib Dems.

It's been put forward in the House of Lords by a baroness.

Not in the House of Commons by an MP.

By a batshit Lib Dem baroness, I grant you.

I’m sure Labour will put something like this with real teeth through once they’re in government. And not only that they might also create an institution to enforce it too. Or maybe they will task an existing institution with enforcing it and hand pick all the staff to do it? One of the reasons I think the Equality Act was such an effective and far reaching piece of legislation was it wasn’t only law there was an institution with huge funding created to enforce it, staffed with who believed in enforcing it the way they interpreted it.

All the mainstream left of centre parties will no doubt be in favour of this too as they all have similar foundational leftwing/progressive beliefs that lead to this. It’s no coincidence that almost every major party on the centre left of politics, pretty much everywhere in the entire Western World, has very similar policies on this subject.

This was always going to happen one way or the other in the U.K. because whilst the Tories might not do this they’re not really strong enough to fight it either. Take all the excitement seen because Liz Truss said xyz or because Kemi said abc etc. Did any of those words amount to anything? Did anyone’s HR department or trade union announce their policies at work had changed because Kemi or Liz Truss said something feminists agreed with? Is saying some words really changing anything?

Suella Braverman recently pointed this problem out when she got sacked and criticised the Tories handling of their policy to send asylum seekers to third countries while their applications were processed. Regardless of whether you agree with the policy or not what she wrote in my opinion explains the Tories perfectly, she wrote “Worse than this, your magical thinking - believing that you can will your way through this without upsetting polite opinion - has meant you have failed to prepare any sort of credible Plan B.”. And that’s why the Conservative Party will not be able to stop this either. They will make statements like Truss and Kemi did hoping that those statements alone can change things without upsetting the guardian readers.

Once labour find themselves out of office again if the current Conservative Party still exists in its current form as the main opposition they will get into power after labour and ‘conservative’ pretty much everything labour have done.

Unlimited fines? The prisons will be overflowing with psychologists and parents who can't or won't pay fines for caring about their clients or children as whole people, and not just a gender identity to be affirmed.

No-one will be imprisoned - there's no room and the optics are bad.

It'll be the bailiffs

How naive you are. Look, just because the prisons are overflowing and crime is out of control and there isn’t space in jail for everyone who seriously breaks the law doesn’t mean that nobody will go to jail. It just means the authorities will have to prioritise who goes and who doesn’t and for what. I imagine in the eyes of the authorities this would take much, much higher priority than drug dealing and burglary and assault and such like.

The optics might also look terrible to you but to the authorities I think high profile cases of people going to jail for this would be welcomed and seen as ‘sending a message’.

Then I think feminists would vote all over again for the very people who did this to them. Because the right are the bad ones apparently.

Bailiffs are a much better choice for the authorities.

People being jailed is much more high-,profile.

Don't make obvious martyrs.

Impose a high enough fine and in the case of refusal to pay send in the bailiffs to strip the house of anything of value. Might make the local paper, but probably not.

Oh they’re quite prepared to make you a martyr over this if you want to be one? Just as long as everyone else gets the message.

Look at the hate crime bill that will becoming into force in Scotland soon, that’s just a wee taste of what Labour will soon do on a national level to the U.K.

Existing thread here, here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4939293-a-new-bill-to-ban-conversion-therapy-will-be-debated-in-parliament-after-all

Considering that there's no police to help mugging, burglary and theft, but a herd will gallop round to arrest a woman for wrong think with the huge commitment of time, paperwork and money to bang her in the cells for a few hours?

Yes, I'm certain we'd see the batshit left happily releasing violent men from prison due to cost and capacity issues, while stuffing them full of middle aged women evilly saying things men told them not to.

I think you are bang on the money there.

See, the real ideological left see people as products of society so nothing they ever do is really their fault is it? It’s not that human nature is flawed and some people are bad and that there needs to therefore be a deterrent to stop bad people being bad, it’s more like society’s fault so society needs to suffer. Unless of course you live in Islington, then crime shouldn’t affect you.

Going against their ideology though is a different matter. That can’t just be excused like serious crime can because going against their world view could wreak everything. What they think is right and everybody who disagrees is wrong and needs to be [re]’educated’ )by force if necessary) so of course wrong thinking is of higher priority than drug dealing, grooming, burglary and violence.

And that’s the batshit leftist ideology in regards to crime and punishment in a nutshell… 🙂

There's been no leftists, batshit or otherwise, in power for a long time. Just sayin'. Most of this has happened on the Tories' watch. Not that I think Labour will be any improvement.

Oh but there are. And they’re the ones with the real power too. And they’re in the institutions, not in the government.

Ah, well, that's a slightly different point. But I agree (if I understand you correctly) that it's not the likes of Keir Starmer who've done the remarkable job in creating the turnaround we've seen from such unlikely candidate institutions as plod and the NHS. On the contrary, he is sat on the sidelines waiting to see which position will be most advantageous. Rather than actually getting involved and taking a stand.