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Female pool player Lynne Pinches refuses to play transgender opponent and walks off at start of match

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IwantToRetire · 14/11/2023 19:14

A pool player has forfeited her chance to win a top national title in protest at the sport allowing a transgender woman to compete against natal females.

Lynne Pinches packed up her cue and walked off as the final of the Ladies Champions of Champions got under way over the weekend.

Spectators clapped and cheered Pinches’ protest while her opponent, Harriet Haynes, appeared bemused before later picking up the trophy by default.
Pinches had been among a host of top female players to speak out in recent days over transgender women being allowed to compete against them in elite competitions.

More Female pool player Lynne Pinches refuses to play transgender opponent and walks off at start of match (yahoo.com)

Female pool player Lynne Pinches refuses to play transgender opponent and walks off

A pool player has forfeited her chance to win a top national title in protest at the sport allowing a transgender woman to compete against natal females.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/female-pool-player-lynne-pinches-141515605.html

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 14/11/2023 20:51

Good on her. She's a hero. I'm sick of these men forcing themselves into female sports and taking wins away from women.

Doublerainbow23 · 14/11/2023 21:02

Well done Lynne Pinches - legitimate Ladies Champion of Champions!!

I hope she sues the organisers.

OneMorePlant · 14/11/2023 21:06

I despair at the future of humanity with so many people wondering why a man would have a biological advantage over a woman. You are living in a human body. How are so many of you so ignorant about it.

You really do not have to be a scientist to understand male strength has an advantage on the break at the start. Or that longer arms and bigger hands are an advantage in reach.

Anyway good for Lynne Pinches. I admire her for it.

AvacadoFieldsForever · 14/11/2023 21:08

awful that’s Lynnes been put in this position.

Play and win = it’s seen as no problem and it continues

Play and lose = lose to a male. But only one. And you got to the final. It’s no problem.

Walk away = The problem is with you. Male wins, women lose out

MrsMarzetti · 14/11/2023 21:08

What a sad pathetic bloke he is, doesn't stand a chance of winning against other blokes so has to play against women. Mate you didn't win that trophy.

AutumnCrow · 14/11/2023 21:15

PaleBlueMoonlight · 14/11/2023 19:58

Three reasons: men have a physical advantage; men have a social advantage; men are not women

Absolutely bang on

LaviniasBigBloomers · 14/11/2023 21:34

The audience got it though, which is great to see.

Hellocatshome · 14/11/2023 21:40

I'm sure men do have certain physical and social advantages that help them to play pool at a different level than women BUT even if they didn't I dont think it matters. The competition is for women therefore if you are anything other than a biological woman you shouldn't be allowed to enter. Otherwise what's the actual point of having separate competitions.

SamW98 · 14/11/2023 21:43

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Female pool player Lynne Pinches refuses to play transgender opponent and walks off at start of match
TeiTetua · 14/11/2023 21:46

Has this been reported in the Guardian? They'd probably say "Nasty bigot Lynne Pinches is so nasty that she'll give up a title rather than give up her bigotry".

Iudncuewbccgrcb · 14/11/2023 22:07

I played pool competitively when I was younger.

at my peak I was a better player than your average man down the pub, but against my male peers competitively it remained unequal.

as a woman I was nearly always smaller than any males I played against, in pool that meant I had to stretch further/was more unstable taking the shot if it required reaching across the table.

my arm span was shorter, generally meaning less power when breaking or taking long shots/ doubles.

Boobs. Boobs were a particular issue for me. Men with big bellies can kind of brace them against the table, boobs hang down onto the table. I often had to contort myself to prevent my chest from hitting a pool ball which would be a foul.

sexism/sexual assault. Lost count of the times I had lewd comments made whilst bending over to take a shot (obviously not in competitions) Or my arse felt. A common one was also a pool cue shoved between my legs when I was bent down.

As a woman I didn't feel I could go and practise for hours on my own down the pool hall like the men could, practising shots over and over again like they did. If I went I went with others, because I got hassled if I didn't. And because I went with others that meant sharing a table, taking turns, being a good sport, not being 'selfish'.

As you get older it's less socially acceptable for women to leave the kids for the evening to go down the pub for pool matches, or pool practice. The men don't really want you there either much in the same way a man turning up to an otherwise female only group would change the dynamic.

Because hardly any other women play you have a much smaller 'pool' of players to compete against who have the same disadvantages as you.

CwmYoy · 14/11/2023 22:19

If all female athletes displayed the same courage this nonsense would disappear.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 14/11/2023 22:20

Fair play to her and she is the real winner. Just disgusting that this is still happening and that they got the trophy. Words fail me really.
Things need to change and fast and women's sport should mean women's sport and set up a transgender competition and they can go in that and stop trying to take over women and their spaces and sports.

spookehtooth · 14/11/2023 22:24

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2023 20:03

So why are there separate men's and women's competitions in the first place? Are women allowed to compete in the men's if they want to? What's the prize money like in each, I wonder...

I was reading about this, in relation to Chess. Bases on memory this is a summary: Whether there's any advantage for men there is disputed, however a lot of women aren't interested in mixed competitions regardless and there's also a question of behaviour and attitude that makes them feel this way.
A senior male member of the chess federation believes in ability difference, despite being beaten several times by a high ranking female chess player 🤷‍♂️ This maybe an illustration of the last point. It's plausible pool could largely be down to culture. I know there's problematic behaviour in the bar billiards league I play in, it's culture is similar

What it reminds me of, whether the above is accurate or not, is that in some areas of life there's simply a culture within a particular interest that's quite off putting to a lot of women

SamW98 · 14/11/2023 22:27

The devastation I have felt, I can’t even explain,” said Pinches, whose son, brother and father all played pool or snooker at elite levels. “I didn’t eat or sleep properly for two days. I was crying until 3am. I was devastated. My son Tommy, who plays on the Ultimate Pool Challenger Series, messaged me and said, ‘I know you must be absolutely devastated mum, because I know that you’ve you’ve hated this since the beginning’. He really wanted to write it on his Facebook but he was worried he’d get banned. And that’s what pushed me over the edge to be honest. I thought ‘you’ve silenced me for years. You’re not silencing my child as well’. I’m not putting up with that...
“I don’t care about the money or the title or the trophy. I care about fairness. If they hadn’t done that U-turn, we wouldn’t be here now. We were all so elated when they originally said they were going to have a strict category for biological females.

Absolutely well said Lynne for voicing the reality of how these ludicrous rules are making women in sport feel.

But obviously the devastation of women means fuck all compared to the validation of entitled men with lady feelz

itsfinallytime · 14/11/2023 22:31

Iudncuewbccgrcb · 14/11/2023 22:07

I played pool competitively when I was younger.

at my peak I was a better player than your average man down the pub, but against my male peers competitively it remained unequal.

as a woman I was nearly always smaller than any males I played against, in pool that meant I had to stretch further/was more unstable taking the shot if it required reaching across the table.

my arm span was shorter, generally meaning less power when breaking or taking long shots/ doubles.

Boobs. Boobs were a particular issue for me. Men with big bellies can kind of brace them against the table, boobs hang down onto the table. I often had to contort myself to prevent my chest from hitting a pool ball which would be a foul.

sexism/sexual assault. Lost count of the times I had lewd comments made whilst bending over to take a shot (obviously not in competitions) Or my arse felt. A common one was also a pool cue shoved between my legs when I was bent down.

As a woman I didn't feel I could go and practise for hours on my own down the pool hall like the men could, practising shots over and over again like they did. If I went I went with others, because I got hassled if I didn't. And because I went with others that meant sharing a table, taking turns, being a good sport, not being 'selfish'.

As you get older it's less socially acceptable for women to leave the kids for the evening to go down the pub for pool matches, or pool practice. The men don't really want you there either much in the same way a man turning up to an otherwise female only group would change the dynamic.

Because hardly any other women play you have a much smaller 'pool' of players to compete against who have the same disadvantages as you.

Thanks for this explanation. The advantages to males are clear.

ArthurbellaScott · 14/11/2023 22:35

I don’t care about the money or the title or the trophy. I care about fairness

You don't need some stupid trophy. Clearly, you are a queen.

Codlingmoths · 14/11/2023 22:41

I am so glad she was clapped, that she had that support. And that the majority of spectators recognise what unfair and unsporting looks like.

powershowerforanhour · 14/11/2023 22:42

"was wondering what advantage men might have against women at pool, and found this in the article:

Players calling for tougher restrictions claim transgender women often have greater upper body strength enabling them to make a more powerful initial break.

Good for Lynne.
Height is also and larger hand size also an advantage. Men also have better hand eye coordination on average than women."

Also a lower resting heart rate- useful in an "target" sport which could only be replicated by the illegal use of beta blockers.

powershowerforanhour · 14/11/2023 22:42

Brilliant post by ludncue at 22:07

Portakalkedi · 14/11/2023 22:50

Good for her, but a pity she was forced to do it. And so that bloke just took the trophy? What a pathetic individual.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2023 23:11

ArthurbellaScott · 14/11/2023 22:33

They did.

Ungracious and unladylike gesture to the audience at the end there. Sore ‘winner’.

NovemberName · 14/11/2023 23:27

Well done Lynne now she is stunning and unbelievably brave.

Hope she doesn't get too much hate.

Brave brave woman.

RaininginDarling · 14/11/2023 23:39

Brava, Lynne! I'm sorry you were put in such a stupid situation. That your skill and talent were not taken seriously or treated with respect by your sporting body. As @ArthurbellaScott said: you are a queen and a mighty inspiration for your son and many others.

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