Novel genital swapping procedure proposed

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12748109/Sex-change-doc-transgender-surgery-male-female-genitalia-patients-risks-radical.html

That's another thing - they usually do this stuff on animals first, but apart from that Chinese rat horror story I can't find anything about male or female genitals being successfully implanted into the opposite sex.

The leading US centre for penis transplants is Johns Hopkins www.hopkinsmedicine.org/transplant/programs/reconstructive-transplant/penis-transplant and they confirm it's in males only.

Love the Mr Bean clip!

From the DM article

In recent years, he said he's successfully transplanted a uterus, ovaries, and testicles into his patients.
'From all of these three transplantations, we had a delivery. That is very good result,' he said.

What sort of delivery does he mean?

Hang on a minute...

If these boys have been taking puberty blockers then they will have shrivelled, underdeveloped penises to give the girls, who will presumably have underdeveloped, infertile woman bits too.

So doesn't this surgery, not that I believe it's a viable option, rely on parents protecting their child's potential future fertility by not allowing them to take puberty blockers?

Otherwise they won't have something to contribute for this 2023+ edition of Swap Shop?

They can use colon tissue.

cavuhb.nhs.wales/files/specialised-medicine/welsh-gender-service/intestinal-vaginoplasty-pdf/

Oh yes, was focussing on the vaginoplasty rather than the swap. In that case I see your point.

Yup. Important to cut them up before they reach full brain maturity and have an opportunity to rethink their life decisions and possibly find self acceptance for being gay / neurodiverse or whatever.

Good fucking point.

Interestingly Guardian seems to be full of " Why I'm no longer vegan" type articles. I wonder if the trans lobby know they need to detach themselves from anyone who cares about animal rights.

This was on actual women not Transwomen.

The final bit of that article says that 81% of trans patients who've had genital surgery report experiencing pain just from moving around in the weeks and months following surgery.

Isn't that to be expected? If you chop up your genitals then it will be painful while it heals.

No, just no! Organs are not like mechanical components that you can just unplug and plug back in.
It is wholly unethical to carry out such a dangerous procedure electively.
I can understand donor organs given to those who have lost genitals through trauma or disease, when the donor is clinically dead but where life is supported purely to allow for transplant donor purposes.
We really are entering Frankenstein territory with this, and the surgeons involved need serious reining in.
So many what if questions.
My first thought was the logistics of pairing up with a mutual consenting transplant partner. Since most of the individuals will have been on hormones for years, would their organs still function post transplant.
Also the endocrine system may not be able to support the new organs. The whole feedback mechanism that controls the very complex reproductive cycles which are very distinctly male and female may not work. I can only think that it would be like putting diesel in a petrol car.
It’s just a step too far.

'Necrosis'

Is the single word that springs into my head.

I presume he is referring to uterus transplants from women to women? Though uterus transplants are removed when the baby is delivered due to the long term risks of taking immunosuppressant drugs.

Very interesting, I did not know uterus transplants were removed after delivery.

Presumably the same risks from taking immunosuppressant drugs long-term would apply to someone born male if they receive a uterus transplant.

This doctor seems to have had deliveries resulting from precisely one of each type of transplant (so far). I wonder what proportion of his similar transplants did not have this “very good result.”

To me, having these organs work “successfully” in transplants between people born of different sexes seems many times more complex than same-sex ones.

The NHS has no money yet this Frankenstein idea is proposed. Anyone wanting this should be made to pay privately.

My friends kidneys were destroyed by her anti rejection drugs, she had to go onto dialysis and needed a new kidney.
So what’s the long term prospect for these young health patients who I assume will then take cross sex hormones which seem to be particularly bad for women. Won’t be young and healthy for long.

The butchers don't care. They consider a procedure "successful" when the patient didn't die on the table or from short term complications. Does not matter the long term consequences or if that person dies young and is miserable. They still consider it a success.

”The operation was successful, but the patient died” is a black humour surgery joke but one with an element of truth.

People keep saying Frankenstein, but the word that springs to mind for me is Mengele.

I would be incredulous if anyone was prepared to take anti rejection drugs for the rest of their lives and all the life shortening risks that entails just to have a grafted penis that doesn't work.

We know there is an illegal trade in human organs in some places.

Create a market and what happens? Where do the body parts to order come from.

Definitely Mengele in nature...

They're doing that now, minus the anti-rejection drugs. The problem is they don't realise what they're signing up for.

Apart from the fact it sounds like something in a horror film my first thought is about skin colour. Surely people could end up looking like a patchwork quilt.

@Trulywonderful oh that’s funny, it was my first thought when I read the article. I’ve seen too many gruesome post surgical photos from limb and other body part transplants ( I’m an HCP who can pretty much cope with anything apart from burns).
I use to have a patient who had his lower jaw shot off during WW2. He’d had amazing plastic surgery using a rib and a skin pedicle transplant using his underarm skin.
Every few months I had to remove the underarm hairs from inside his mouth.

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In the perfect trans world all the kids would have been on puberty blockers since childhood leaving very little penis material to swap with. I don’t think it’s anyone’s dream to acquire the genitals of a 9 year old boy.